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where is the safe room ?
PIM:
Hi ertsky,
Why are you looking for a safe room? How are you going to learn to wield the sword of the Word if you hide out in a safe room? Heresey was God's idea, he has a purpose for it.
(KJV) For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
Better than hiding in a safe room is training the eyes and ears to detect and refute it. If weeding through the posts to get a blessing is cumbersome, you could post a blessing yourself for others to read instead.
The occassional post with obvious heresey (they can't possibly catch them all) is an opportunity to witness. Someone may be turned from their error and you may gain a brother or sister. If you are well grounded in the truths that you have learned at B-T you will not be shaken by the heretics, they can only make you stronger.
God's peace and strength be with you.
Pat
shibboleth:
In Mark 11:18 the chief priests and scribes wanted to destroy Jesus for they were afraid of Him for all the multitude was astonished at His teaching. This statement was made after Jesus threw them out of the temple for misusing their position for filthy lucre.The truth will always divide.
Eph. 4:14 As a result we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves, and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by trickery of men by craftiness in deceitful scheming. Why should we think this forum is any different from any other forum that is trying to teach truth? The wolves are in here, ready to pounce and attack the first chance they have.
1 Tim: 1:3 Don't teach strange doctrines. How do we know what strange doctrines are, if we don't know what the right doctrines are?
1 Tim:16 Pay close attention to yourself and to your teaching. Why would we be warned to watch what we are taught, if doctrine doesn't matter, as I have heard a few say?
2 Tim. 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness.
We are to guard our mind from teachings that are contrary to good doctrine. That doesn't mean we don't have legitimate questions about Ray and Mikes teachings, but we should really do our homework first before we try to dispute their articles. I sometimes see people come here who just want to argue. They aren't interested in truth, they just want to fight.
I came to BT because I wanted to find like-minded people. I really hope the rest of the people who are here feel the same. I have some minor differences with Ray and Mike, mostly their e-mail answers. But the major core of their beliefs are my beliefs. In fact, God had showed me many of hte truths I found in Rays articles.
Let us not underestimate how important doctrine {teaching} is. False doctrines are like a cancerous lesion that can eat you alive. False teaching leads to more false teaching and then we have nothing but a feel good forum where anyone can believe anything they want because we don't want anyone to feel unwelcome. I never felt welcome at churches that taught contradictory, illogical doctrine. They hated to be questioned about anything. Questioning is one thing, antagonistic, in your face meanness is not acceptable here.
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: ertsky ---i find lately that there are a good number of people coming to this board that do not really agree with Ray and Mikes teaching.
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Here is a list of everyone on this new/refreshed board who has posted at least 10 times:
Falconn003
bobbys43
eutychus
hillsbororiver
rvhill
Dennis Vogel
nightmare sasuke
parsonssc
orion77
jennie
Sorin
shibboleth
Mickyd
ertsky
love_magnified
Kevin
broken
zander
gmik
Steve Crook
jerry cabral
SandyFla
Chris R
Sonia
Satch
Harryfeat
Peacetroll
YellowStone
Joey Porter
Shoeman
Andrew
Gill
John
Dan
ciy
dogcombat
mike
sparkyman481
oceanman
Nelson
djbeeler
bowlbyx
bobf
How many of these posters are those who come here to either preach their own doctrines or disagree with Mike and Ray? I don't recognize all of the names on this list but I am familiar with the majority of them and to the best of my recollection the majority are those on this list are 'in agreement'.
So my question is, how many 'bad' or 'negative' or 'unfruitful' posts are you having to wade through to find something edifying?
And if there are so many 'unfruitful' and 'unedifying' posts being made that you find it difficult and frustrating to 'wade through them'... and this isn't just an exaggeration, then just who is it that is making them, when the majority of these posters - according to this list - are those 'in agreement'?
I'll admit that I find some posts to be 'unfruitful' and 'unedifying', as well. But they are not the result of disagreement; they're the result of a lack of respect for others and for differences, however slight or insignificant. (And I am not saying that they are all minor or insignificant.)
--- Quote from: ertsky ---THANK GOD FOR THE SOME THAT I CAN GET A BLESSING FROM
now i don't think what i would like should happen, but to help me express what i'm trying to say
lately i feel like i need a new section to appear on the forums
something like
"section for those who actually agree with Ray and Mike"
in that section no one would be permitted by mods to post anything that is in clear disagreement with the truths i've already accepted as i've studied Ray and Mikes sites.
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How about those 'in agreement' that violate the rules of the forum?
--- Quote from: ertsky ---
again i'm not saying anything i say is what should happen (God forbid)
i'm trying to express my frustration at having to weed through dangerous posts to get to the blessings
i have read posts here that have really blessed me though.
but i had to spend a bit long weeding through dodgy stuff to get to them
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Same question.... if the majority of those who are posting (listed above) are 'in agreement' then just how "long" is it taking you to "weed through dodgy stuff to get to them"?
--- Quote from: ertsky ---
for example
posts seeming to suggest the babylon "church system" isn't all that bad
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I haven't seen that one myself. Or are you referring to Jennie's question about her church and the fact that she took offense to the constant negative and often-time hateful remarks being made about "Babylon" and "Christendom", etc?? When she sees herself and her husband and those that THEY try to serve different from what you might find in other 'churches'?
Many who come here, especially those who are new to these teachings and the truth have not come out of their 'church' yet. Why is it ok to be so completely insensitive to that fact?
--- Quote from: ertsky ---Mike clearly teaches it is and i agree with him, if it isn't all that bad why did God command me to come out of her.
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Those who come out come out when God wants them to come out. No sooner and no later. Perhaps, since you have 'been there' you could remember from where is you have come and how far you have come and have some compassion for those who might come behind you - in their time, of God's choosing??
--- Quote from: ertsky ---posts seeming to contradict plain statement of scripture
whats that going to achieve that's good ?
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Well, doesn't that depend on a couple of things... like the motivation of the person making the post? ... their desire and ability to receive feedback and/or correction? ... the type of feedback that they receive?... God's will in this for them?
--- Quote from: ertsky ---posts quoting pseudo bible translations
i want to understand the hidden wisdom in the bibles i've already got not wade through the 10 wacky suns and the bits that might be damnable heresy
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Now we are getting somewhere... perhaps it is a particular poster that you have a problem and lack patience with??
To the best of my recollection, even Ray has at least some familiarity with these "pseudo bibles". He doesn't study them, as he has enough to do with studying the accepted cannon of scriptures. But why ostracize someone based on the fact that they have the time and desire to look into these things? Perhaps they do so to look for additional 'support' of the Truth?
--- Quote from: ertsky ---posts saying God might really want to torture people for eternity after all
bible-truths.com clearly states that is the gravest lie, and will disqualify anyone who believes it in their heart from entering the kingdom of heaven, i agree with that.
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I agree with that as well.... but I also don't believe that not believing in "ET" automatically qualifies one for entering into His rest either. For anyone who "hates his brother" (whether or not he believes that the brother will be tortured in fire for eternity) abides in darkness and death and is of the devil (just read 1 John 3 - among other scriptures).
--- Quote from: ertsky ---posts saying you shall not surely die
posts etc etc etc
i can't just ignore that sort of error
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Then correct them. Someone took the time to correct your 'errors' didn't they? And where would you be today if they had not? Or if you had not come across Ray or Mike's website or a forum like this one (or whatever the 'beginning point' was for you)??
--- Quote from: ertsky ---WHY OH WHY do i have to wade through this kind of junk day after day to get to the post that says
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My original question still stands. Is this not a bit of an exaggeration considering the list above?
I object to many of the posts but my objections are completely different from yours, so I am having a hard time understanding why, when the majority of posts are from those of 'like-minds' that you have a problem with the few that are not (making them out to be more numerous and pervasive then they are)?
--- Quote from: ertsky ---i am His can't you just hear something of Him in this post
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I am His. Yet I am sure that some here think and believe otherwise, based on some of my posts about the division and strife among those who are 'in agreement'. Yet, I still hope that some here will hear something of Him in THIS post.
--- Quote from: ertsky ---so to recap i am just trying to express how i feel, that i long for a bt board where gainsayers will just not come in and waste precious time.
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Well, allow me to thank you for you comments and I acknowledge your feelings and I sincerely hope that God will work in you to overcome this issue and bring you peace where the forum is concerned.
We should all be allowed to express how we are feeling and have those feelings acknowledged. As I said, I have feelings/issues/concerns of my own and neither do I have the desire to waste precious time in wading through unfruitful posts. But I also believe that there is more to being "unfruitful" then just disagreeing. We all disagreed with at least some of these truths at one time or another.. and we found our way through that and TO Him.... the least we can do is try to help lead others to Him, as well.... even those who, for now, disagree. And we should show them the same respect that we ask them to show us or we are not better off.
--- Quote from: ertsky ---]in brief i want to SEPERATE FROM THOSE who disagree with Ray and Mikes material, which i consider to be what God used to get me into the doctrine of Christ, that i am hoping to pursue until the Lord returns
i'm sorry if this comes across wrong
but at least i've expressed how i feel and don't have to wonder if you know how i feel
where is the safe room ? LOL!
look i want to love my enemies but i don't want to read their posts everyday. (maybe every other day, or once a week when i'm weary)
sorry, i guess you can tell i'm a little exasperated :)
if you don't see me post for a day or two it'll just mean i'm simmering down (just a little mind, not going off the boil)
well bless you all and sorry if i have troubled any unnecessarily
and thanks again to the genuine seekers here
f
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Well, I hope you feel better after you 'simmer down' Frank.
I too have always had a problem with those coming in to "preach" contrary to the truths that I hold dear. I have never failed to say so. Nor have I ever failed to speak my mind on some other things.
But I have no problem at all with those who differ so long as they do it respectfully and do not attempt to deliberately disrupt the fellowship. I figure that we are all here for a reason and there is room for growth in all of us. May God give us the patience and the heart (His heart) to do as He commanded... and love our enemies and pray for them... and on occasion put up with them. Perhaps the one that we see as an “enemy� is the one that God has put into our path for a reason. Perhaps for their benefit… or perhaps for ours.
Sorry for the added length due to the quotes and the list...
Chrissie
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: rvhill ---I love Christ and that I am a determinist and a evolutionist. :shock: :lol: :twisted:
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Sorin:
Chrissie,
Do you enjoy causing Division and Strife?
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