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rvhill:

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I don't like creationism or ID, nether one set well with me. I believe that evolutionist is a weak scientific theory, but it the best we have right now. Evolution is a weak theory because it lack Data, and the evidence it does have is not as solid as it should be. All we have is the fossil record, and it is incomplete. At best the fossil record is a blunt tool. The fossil record allows to much politics and Dogma from all side to inter in to the debate. That said evoltion is a much better theory then either Creationism or ID.

I do not believe creation theory is scripturally sound. ID is not good science either. The reason why is you can  not scientifically prove the existent of God and until you do you can't add God to nature philosophy. As a Christian I believe God is responsible for everything, but you don't see me crying, because every scientific theory does not include God. Life is no less or more miraculous then Gravity, thermodynamics, relativity, and any other physical effect.

sparkyman481:
Rvhill,

If you do not believe in creation then you make Christ a liar.

Rev 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15  I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.

chrissiela:

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--- Quote from: rvhill ---I love Christ and that I am a determinist and a evolutionist.  :shock:  :lol:  :twisted:
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 :?:
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I don't like creationism or ID, nether one set well with me. I believe that evolutionist is a weak scientific theory, but it the best we have right now. Evolution is a weak theory because it lack Data, and the evidence it does have is not as solid as it should be. All we have is the fossil record, and it is incomplete. At best the fossil record is a blunt tool. The fossil record allows to much politics and Dogma from all side to inter in to the debate. That said evoltion is a much better theory then either Creationism or ID.

I do not believe creation theory is scripturally sound. ID is not good science either. The reason why is you can  not scientifically prove the existent of God and until you do you can't add God to nature philosophy. As a Christian I believe God is responsible for everything, but you don't see me crying, because every scientific theory does not include God. Life is no less or more miraculous then Gravity, thermodynamics, relativity, and any other physical effect.
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Thank you for explaining, though I am not quite sure that I understood your explanation - in that I am not sure how one can believe that God is responsible for all (be a Christian) and yet not believe in 'creation'. That seems contradictory to me.

But, again, thanks for the explanation.

Chrissie

rvhill:

--- Quote from: sparkyman481 ---Rvhill,

If you do not believe in creation then you make Christ a liar.

Rev 3:14  And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; Rev 3:15  I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. Rev 3:16  So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
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I don't see how not believe in creation theory make Jesus out to be a lier. Do you really believe that Adam and Eve were the only two people on earth after being cast out of Eden? That their children mated with angles? What about the land of  nod?

Genesis 4:15 But the LORD said to him, "Not so [ Septuagint, Vulgate and Syriac; Hebrew Very well ] ; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.

Who was there to kill him?

Genesis 4:16 So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod,  east of Eden.

A land mean people

Genesis 4:17Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch.

city also mean people.

Genesis 6:2
the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose

Adam and Eve and their children are the Sons of God, but who are the daughters of men?

There is a reason why the bible say God created the earth in 7 days, but it does not mean in 7 real days. Any more then it mean the Beast is some man, who the world will follow as God. Notice that 6 the number of Man, and Adam was made on the 6th day. Each of the 7 number has a second meaning, and you can understand that meaning from reading Genesis 1. The story of Creation has nothing to do with Creation other then to say that God made everything. It about a lot of things, but it not really about how God made the world.

orion77:
Ertsky, I know we can all relate where you are coming from.  At times it gets hard to put up with people of the world.  This suffering, long patience, enduring, persecution, misunderstandings, accusations and feelings of lonliness, can at times get the best of us.  Never fear my brother, we have the spirit of the One who has overcome the world in us.

My brothers and sisters, I love to walk this life with His spirit, suffering as He did for this is a witness into itself that we are chosen of God.  Fight the good fight and endure unto the end.  When we try to walk in our own power we shall fall, or worse we might feel the need to be accepted by the world.  Always remain thankful, in which I know you are, to be accounted worthy to suffer for His names sake.

With my own experience, God knows that when things are going good and smooth, I have a strong tendency to not put Him foremost in my life.  So, I have learned from the chastening of the Father, that I must suffer to keep Him above everything else, and for this I am eternally grateful for having such a loving Father.

I must be honest and speak the truth, all the good times, praise from men, times of ease, do not have near the memory or lesson learned that have come from suffering for His names sake.  We are no longer of the world, that is why they will hate us.  But we, when we go through these experiences learn the right, albeit hard way, to treat our brethren.  Ours is not in mere words, but through truth in sincerity with a broken heart.  This is why we will one day be able to say these words, "Forgive them Father for they know not what they do."

It's all about love, forgiveness and mercy.  We know the day will come when everyones eyes will be open, but we are the few, now.  We must never forget that they will, in Gods due time see the glorious truths as we do now.

The kingdom of God is within us, now.  The more we think on the spirit of Christ in us, within the inner man, the outer world becomes smaller and smaller.

Anyway, you made me think on some good things and that I am thankful for your post.

God bless you,

Gary

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