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1 Peter 3:18-20 The spirits in jail.
kennymac:
Dennis,
I found the information to be interesting and I was hoping to gain more insight on the subject.
I guess this is not the place for me, everytime I look to gain understanding on a topic I am treated like the enemy.
Sorry once again.
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: kennymac on December 06, 2006, 03:28:29 AM ---Dennis,
I found the information to be interesting and I was hoping to gain more insight on the subject.
I guess this is not the place for me, everytime I look to gain understanding on a topic I am treated like the enemy.
Sorry once again.
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Kennymac,
There is no problem in asking a question or seeking opinions or insight, posting huge articles without disclosing the author makes it difficult for the moderators, the rules are very straightforward.
In the future please state a premise and ask a direct question no one will have a problem with that.
We appreciate your cooperation.
His peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
mick24458:
--- Quote from: andrevan on December 03, 2006, 06:20:17 AM ---Well Mick, I guess Arcturus' post may have helped you as well, no one who's dead hears the Gospel until they're resurrected to judgement :).
Andrevan.
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Thanks Adrevan, I read through the material you posted and it certainly makes more sense that the dead ae dead, awaiting the resurrection and also that Jesus, when He died, was dead in the grave until resurrected. I take it from the response that what you are saying, and what seems apparrent in Ray's teaching, is that there is no consciousness in the grave at all and whatever it is that God will do in furthering the grace that is extended to all in Christ, will be done post resurrection in the age or ages to come. In the meantime, the dead are dead, which seems a lot more consisitent with the bulk of scripture. What about ghosts and reports of the like? Do you think this is just deception of evil spirits? I also find it facinating that Saul goes to a medium at Endor and she actually conjures up the ghost of Samuel - he does say, "why did you wake me" which I suppose strenthens the argument of the dead being "asleep" in their graves.
I teach teenagers Biblical Studies in a school and questions about death, the afterlife and heaven & hell are much on their minds. I feel a huge responsibility to get this right and teach accurately. I am becoming more and more aware of the influence of "christian religion" especially of the Romish kind on much of the traditional beliefs. My focus is to keep the main things as the main things: christ died for our sins and rose again - and then keep things as simple and straighforward as I can.
Thanks for the help. I will keep asking and keep reading. I think I need to purchase a Literal Concordant Bible.
:)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Mick24458
I am so glad you have posted your comments. I have had experiences of spirits since very small. I do not claim to have any so called psychic gifts which would be to profess being highly deceived! :D But nonetheless I have had some pretty strange, frightening and then again, wonderful experiences with the spirit world. We know from the scriptures that this world does exist but how are we to understand it? It was only after being given the teachings here on Bible Truths that it became comprehensible for me!
Enjoy then this amazing revelation that is from an e-mail response from Ray. This should help and empower you in your desire to keep things as simple and straightforward as you can for your teenage Bible Study classes! I just want to add…Jesus Christ has said in John 11:24 I am the resurrection. (Not anyone else…not pastor…preacher. or others who feign this office of Christ’s power and authority by making claim that they can or have raised the dead.)
Also from LOF part 2 on Heresies Ray writes
“Christian theologians contradict and refuse to preach the truth.
· Do they believe in a future resurrection of dead people back to life? (John 5 : 29)? Yes.
BUT, do they teach that a resurrection is imperative for dead people to live again? NO!
1027 / Email to Ray / Eternal Punishment on: May 13, 2006, 08:04:20 AM
Dear Ray,I was somewhat surprised, on reading your three articles, that you make no mention of King Saul's great sin.He got a medium to summon the ghost of Samuel, who before telling the king what God thought of him, asked why he had been awakened.In light of what you say in your articles, I think it only fair that you tell your readers about necromancy, which since God has outlawed it, we know exists.When the soul dies the body rots and the spirit returns to God, where itawaits the day of judgemnt in an unconscious state, unless it is awakenedprematurely as in the case of Samuel.Yours sincerely,Peter
Dear Peter:Samuel was unconscious and DEAD during that whole Witch of Endor scenario. Our "spirit" does not have consciousness upon death. No witch or demon has the power to bring a dead person back to life. God uses "LYING SPIRITS" to comune with evil people such as Saul (See I Kings 22:22-23 & II Chron. 18:22-23).God be with you,Ray
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
andrevan:
--- Quote from: mick24458 on December 09, 2006, 05:28:35 PM ---What about ghosts and reports of the like? Do you think this is just deception of evil spirits? I also find it facinating that Saul goes to a medium at Endor and she actually conjures up the ghost of Samuel - he does say, "why did you wake me" which I suppose strenthens the argument of the dead being "asleep" in their graves.
:)
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Hi Mick24458,
the scriptural truth that the dead are all really dead awaiting ressurection was a key in helping me understand many scriptures. Yes, I do think that ghosts, (as well as poltergeists, alien sightings/visitations, etc.) are ALL deceiving spirits, I came to understand the incident with Saul going to a medium to be one of these as well. Ray nails it when he says:
--- Quote ---God uses "LYING SPIRITS" to comune with evil people such as Saul (See I Kings 22:22-23 & II Chron. 18:22-23).
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I think you're on the right track with your bible studies, keeping it simple and accurate. May God continue to guide you in this as you undertake teaching. :)
Arcturus, I'm so happy to hear that you finally got understanding about spirits from Ray's material, and thanks for your helpful post.
Peace and love to you all.
Andrevan.
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