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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: brothertoall on December 04, 2006, 09:49:07 AM ---Part of the hope I have in Christ Jesus is that ALL things will be made new in and through Him.
My hope is that there will be no more pain,crying,disappointments,hatred,homelessness,poverty,discease,sin,deciet,etc...
I believe that God has the power and authority to abolish all that.
2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make ALL things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
bobby
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Bobby,
Thank you for the great additions to this thread.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello everyone
Something special comes to light for me through this thread.
Only humans are begotten from above and will be born at our resurrection. This is what I have understood from LOF. We are not “born again” we are begotten not again, but from above. Jesus addressed this aspect of our being “born again of the spirit from above” as something for us not for angels or spirits. Jesus was born as the Son of Man not son of angels, and of Son of God not of son of spirits. His presence on earth was for man kind not spirit kind.
Eggi, you wrote ; Only members of the human race can die in Adam, which would then mean that only members of the human race can be made alive in Christ. The word "all" then changes focus, as Paul goes on to say that Christ must reign, until he has put ALL enemies under His feet. Paul cannot possibly be speaking only about the human race anymore, because he says that the last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
For me that ties the one aspect of our humanity to the other aspect of our spiritual destination in Christ. It separates our journey from the angels or spirits who Christ’s elect will judge. No where does it say angels will judge us. No where does it say that angels or spirits are begotten from above or that they should be born again.
We know that God the Father is the Father of spirits. He is also the creator of mankind. So for me there are two distinctly different levels of existence. One as human and one as spirit. From what I am understanding from LOF, we are begotten from above and will be born again only at our resurrection. Humanity is different to spirits or demons. As for the spirit world of angels and demons which will be judged by the chosen who are called to be faithful to the end, I believe that they too, they will be made new and will be purged of evil but they are not begotten now as some of us are dragged, called and chosen by God to be. Also no where does it say that the angels or spirits will share the inheritance of Christ. This is for humankind only as far as I understand this. Humanities path is different to the one of the spirit world. The elect called and chosen by God from out of humanity, will judge the angels. Experiencing authority over the spirit world now carries its caution to us from Christ that we should rejoice not in the fact that the spirits submit to us but that our names are written in the book of life.
We know that angel beings are beings subject to error for which they too will be judged for all will be judged and no one annihilated by God as the quick fix which is the method used by mankind when he uses so called ethnic cleansing to achieve his imaginary nirvana. Ref Adolph Hitler and more recent history the ethnic cleansing of Cerbs and Croats and Moslems : Yugoslavia. Jesus showed us that this is not His clean up method when He rebuked his disciples for asking His permission to use fire to consume those who did not welcome or receive Jesus as had done Elijah. 2 Kings 1 : 9-16 & Luke 9 : 55-56
It is difficult to get your head around the fact that God can transform someone so evil and so good at being evil as is Satan, into some thing new!
It challenges our perception of Gods power and ability that beacons us to believe that with God, all things are truly possible....but for man it is not.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Chris R:
--- Quote from: YellowStone on December 04, 2006, 10:30:58 AM ---Joe,
My last post was in no way an attack on you or eggi. :)
I just want to demostrate the futility of debating obscure doctrine (not clearly defined or pivotal to the truth)
Of course I know that God has all power and can do anything he wants. My question is, just because he can, does not mean he must.
This concept of "can - must" is limiting God.
I am open to idea of Satan being "saved" it is just that God has not granted me complete understanding on the subject.
How about this for a concept. I believe God is in everything, but I do not believe that God is in Satan. God created Satan but is not in Satan because there is no truth (God is truth) in him.
After the Lake of Fire, what is left? Remember the possible meaning of the word destryed? ANULLED
Main Entry: an·nul
Pronunciation: &-'n&l
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): an·nulled; an·nul·ling
Etymology: Middle English annullen, from Anglo-French annuller, from Late Latin annullare, from Latin ad- + nullus not any -- more at NULL
1 : to reduce to nothing : OBLITERATE
2 : to make ineffective or inoperative : NEUTRALIZE <annul the drug's effect>
3 : to declare or make legally invalid or void <wants the marriage annulled>
Do you see my point. God will still be all in all, but there is no Satan.
Once again, this is not a pivotal issue and I will post again the words of Paul
Philippians 3:12-16
12 - Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me.
13 - Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead,
14 - I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus.
15 - All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
16 - Only let us live up to what we have already attained.
I think this little debate has run it's cause, at least from my perspective.
Love to All,
Darren
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Hi Darren,
Maybe this will help a bit,
For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy [annull] the works of the devil. [Satan] 1 John 3:8
It is not Satan that is destroyed....it is however His works that are anulled...this is certainly Good news!
Hope this is of some help
Chris R
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