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Phazel:


I have a really hard time grasping the lack of free will in relationship to God.  I easily grasp cause and effect.  Its not hard to rationalize making choices based upon influence.


I think where I get tripped up is when it comes to my own purpose in Gods will.

 I think about this and Gods plan and then I think about my feelings.   I deal with alot of depressive feelings.   Doctors are not helping.   Then after reading alot around here I think that God wants me to feel this way for a purpose and it just almost makes me feel worse that this is happening.  I do not want to feel this way.

If God is the only one who can grant me this faith, why do I desire it while it seems to elude me?

rrammfcitktturjsp:
Phazel,


  Good evening.  I just wanted to say that your post has touched me very deeply. 

  Recently I have had bouts of depression and feeling hopeless.  I just want to let you know that God wants nothing but the best for you.  Jesus said, that "He came that we might have life and have it to the fullest."  God does not want us to live lives as depressed.  Think of the Scripture when it says that Jesus wanted to gather Jerulsalem unto him as a mother hen would do her chicks.  Now think of this, Jerulsalem was doing some pretty bad things yet Jesus loved them and wanted the best for them, peace, propserity, and security, and to let them have a relaltionhip with him.

  I would challenge you to make a list of 5 things that are good and that are blessings from God.  Do this everyday and in time you will see that the blessings outshine that which is depressing you.  Please do not let the devil steal your joy as he goes around prowling like lion and waiting to devour.  God wants your life to be blessed and the devil wants the other for you.

  Free will is an illusion that Christain tradition came up with to control the masses.  At first I did not know this and it took about 2 weeks to sort this out with Ray's paper.  Free will in the eyes of tradition allows the ones who "chose" Christ to beat the others down and to use hell as a doctrine to scare them into their way of thinking.  Live life witout the free will.  Do not see this as limitations but as boundless freedom.  For in the aspect of non free-will, we are truly at our freest.
 
  You desire the good things in life such as faith.  Do not give up on it.  Seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opends, and ask and it will be given.  You will find it.  You seek what your heart knows is to be true.  And please realize this, that the faith is not eluding you.  It is in you at this moment and is surrounding you at this moment.  Know this and believe in this.  You are in my prayers.  I look forward to talking with you and getting to know you. Keep your head up, for there is no reason to not hold it up.

  The fact that you posted this today shows me you have faith.  Think on this, and you will understand what I am saying.

  Sincerely,


  Anne C. McGuire
  Et in Terra Pax, Eternum Perficio

Brett:

--- Quote ---I think about this and Gods plan and then I think about my feelings.   I deal with alot of depressive feelings.   Doctors are not helping.   Then after reading alot around here I think that God wants me to feel this way for a purpose and it just almost makes me feel worse that this is happening.  I do not want to feel this way.
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Phazel,

I understand your feeling. I have the same sometimes. But we remember God is soveriegn. Of course, you are not alone. I am sure most of us feel that way. Here the verses that might help you, (I hope :-\):

1 Peter 1:7 NKJV
that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire , may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,

1 Peter 4:12 NKJV
Beloved, do not think it strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you;

Hebrews 12:5-7 NKJV
5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons: "My son, do not despise the chastening of the LORD, Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;

6 For whom the LORD loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives."   

7 If you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten?

Hebrews 12:10 NKJV
For they indeed for a few days [temporary on earth] chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.

Hebrews 12:11 NKJV
Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.

If father don't discipline his child, obviously, father have no real heart love his child.

I know it is not fun, but it is worth it. We have pain and joyful because God loves us too much. One day (in the future) we (and all mankind) will have NO MORE pain ;D.

True, all flesh have difficult understand about we have no free will. Know this, if we do have free will, then God absolutely not soveriegn. Hope this make sense to you. :-\

Brett :D

kennymac:
Hello Phazel,

I went through a period that was very dark in fact it was black. Depression was not a part of my nature at all, in fact if not for that experience I would have no ability to relate to the subject.

I was in such a pit that I could feel nothing. Life had no meaning at all, nothing mattered I had no ability to love or feel love. I spent a whole day trying to figure out how I could just check out.

Just know one thing, IT WILL PASS. While we are going through it, it is very hard to see any light.

As for having no free will it is hard to grasp. It's just another deception. We think we have chosen Christ, to see it any other way goes against every thing we have believed.  We have been born into a world system that is anti-Christ. We have no memory of our true identity. But there is this voice within that tells us there is more. That is the spirit of Christ.

In the eyes of the world I had the life, blessed with material things, yet I was experiencing the most difficult thing I ever had to go through, depression. In the midst of it I cried out to God and He saved me he set my feet on solid ground. I went through a total period of self destruction lost everything that I had worked for all my life. The good news is I would do it again in a heart beat, to know Christ, He is the treasure.

My life has changed dramatically. In Christ I find myself complete, he has placed in me such joy and peace. Something I never knew before.

Phazel, He is with you, otherwise He would not be on your mind. Talk with him, beg Him to give you relief. He promises if you will seek Him with all your heart and all your mind He will come in. He did it for me, He will do it for you. Remember He is working out all things for your good, not to harm you.

Just cry out to Him. He is the author and finisher of our faith. You would have no faith if it were not for Him drawing you. He will bring you out of this, He takes us from glory to glory. If everything was wonderful and beautiful I know for myself I would have never called on the name of the Lord.

The true purpose of this life is for us to realize that we are not separate and alienated from God, that's the lie we are born into, the world system teaches us from children that the purpose of life is to get a great career, gain as many toys as you can and there you will find happiness. It's a lie, as soon as you get a great job you will want a better one. As soon as you get your dream house the one on the other side of town looks better. As soon as you find your soul mate it wont be long until you want to replace them for a better one.

It's all a lie.

 The truth is without Christ we are incomplete, there will always be this void in us and we will keep searching trying to fill that emptiness that only He can fill. He is getting your attention now. Praise God, because when He comes in Life will take on a whole new meaning and at last you will find yourself complete.

My prayers are with you, and remember this will pass.

God bless,
Kennymac

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Phazel

I can really relate to the horrible pain you are experiencing.

I suffered for one decade from depression. I am convinced now that people in Christendom who suffer depression, do so because of the toxic junk that is taught, the lies and errors and the narcissistic holier than thou idolatry that is made heroic within the soul dungeons of Mystery Babylon.  This soul destroying heresy is the awful taste of death and deceit that hurts deeply and maims our joy for life and love for God. That is enough to make anyone depressed!…..That is a good sign!   :DBlessed are they who suffer for righteousness sake…… ;D

Reading LOF and drawing in the good news has been very healing for me.
If at first you do not understand….then try….try and try again. Reading the papers on the Myth of Free will is so easily written and is a clear step by step meditation that you can digest bit by bit. Make it a daily meditation taking one part at a time!

I recommend that you read the paper and instead of simply racing through it, read it s-l-o-w-l-y. Stop and reflect on the messages. Eg….just think, God made Pharaohs heart stubborn….Even if you have many questions about this, just observe that you have questions coming alive and surfacing. Allow this to happen and be in peace with it. Then read on.... 8)

God has the will for us to be righteous but the plan to be unrighteous first to recognize our weakness and liabilities without Him. What we go through is truly what comes to pass! WE can do nothing without Him and this experience too, comes to pass so we may know Him and His Glory by experience of the contrast.

Hope this helps you

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

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