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Hell/Holy Spirit Real
« on: December 12, 2006, 09:18:56 AM »

1 John 5:7-8 -
 
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
 
And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
 
The Holy Ghost is a person. Jesus said he was a person, a comforter.
 
Re: Hell
 
If Hell does not exist then why did Jesus talk about it a lot? Why did he talk about the rich man in hell wishing he could warn his family that hell exists?
 

Dearr Robbins:
I John 5:7-8 should read: "For there are three that bear record, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."  The words "...in heaven the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And thee are three that bear witness in earth..."  are not Scriptures and are found in NO Greek Manuscripts or even the early Latin Fathers writings and translations. These spurious words appear in no reputable manuscript, and no manuscript period, before the FIFTEEN CENTURY!  No Biblical Scholar thinks those words are part of any original manuscripts or Scriptures. They are as spurious as the pagan trinity doctrine.  The Holy spirit OF God is certainly not a "person" as you suggest. The Holy Spirit is the "Spirit OF God the Father." I assure, however, that God the Father is not the "Father OF the Holy Spirit." Think about that for a few years and it might come to you. Paul ALWAYS addressed and praised God the Father and His Lord Jesus Christ in EVERY salutation in EVERY epistle He ever wrote.Example:  "Paul, an apostle of JESUS CHRIST by the wil of GOD, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in CHRIST JESUS:  Grace be to you, and peace, from GOD OUR FATHER AND FROM THE LORD JESSUS CHRIST" (Gal. 1:1-2). But Paul never ONCE mentioned or addressed the Holy Spirit in ANY of his epistles EVER.  Do you have a good explanation for such an gross omission and degradation of the Holy Spirit, if the Holy Spirit is  PERSON, and VERY GOD?  Well do you?  No, of course you don't.
 
Jesus Christ was "conceived by THE HOLY SPIRIT."  Now then, whose Son is Jesus Christ?  Is he "The Son of the Holy Spirit?"  NO?  And why not?  Since when is the man who "conceives" a child with a women, no longer the "father" when the child is born?  Do you know of any such unscientific nonsense, Robbins?  Every little school boy in the street knows that the man who caused his mother to concieve IS HIS FATHER, not some other man or some other ghostly person.  The reason that Jesus is the "Son of the FATHER" (I1 John 3)  The reason little Johnny is the Son of his father is because his mother became pregnant by HIS SPERM.  And the reason that Jesus is the Son of the Father {II Jn 3), and not the son of some other person, is because his Mother, Mary, was made pregant by His Father "Holy Spirit."  Am I going to fast for you?
 
Jesus never said the word "hell" in His entire ministry. He never said it in English, or in Greek, or in Hebrew, or in Aramaic. No responsible Bible Translation translates "sheol" as hell, or "tartarus" as hell, or "hades" as hell, or "GeHenna" as hell. You have not a clue as to what you are talking about.
Sincerely,
Ray
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