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Deborah-Leigh:
In todays e-mail responces given by Ray Quote....

Hell does exist.

Hell does exist because God showed it to me in an open vision in 1998. God brought hell up before my eyes and it was in the middle of the earth laid out like a human body. It was full of great flames of fire, not an inch was spared. I saw my dad come up out of the flames up to his waist. His arms were bent at the elbows and his fists were clinched very, very tight. He had a look of sorrow, and great fear in his eyes. He was wailing and howling with regret as he stared at me. I could not help him and the shocked look that came over his face I shall never forget. My dad in 1998 had been dead for 4 years at the time I saw him in hell. He fell back into the flames back to his eternal place in a devil's hell. Jesus tried many times to speak to my dad but my dad refused to listen and now he is tormented by the sins he refused to give up and he will never get out of the place Jesus talked about more than He talked about Heaven, and that is HELL!!!


    Dear Reader:
    It doesn't seem to bother you too much that your father is in pain and suffering every second for all eternity?  Did you hate your father?  Why do you reckon God hates him so?  Are you okay with the fact that you think your father will suffer in real fire for all eternity?  Do you think this is a good thing that God came up with.  If it is good, what "GOOD" does it ever accomplish? You don't think much about these things with a rational mind, do you?   I would never worship a god who would torture my father in real fire for all eternity. I believe that you are a very mentally and spiritually sick person. I could be wrong, but I'll bet that everyone up to their waist in fire would have a "look of sorrow" on their face.
    Don't you ever write me an email again until you REPENT before your heavenly Father, for so utterly dishonoring and disrespecting your earthly father!!  Why DIDN'T you help your father? Did you TRY?  Unbelievable.
    Ray


I get so much edification through studying Ray’s responses to some of the people who write to him. I try to think…..before I read Ray’s answer….how would I answer this? Every time….EVERY TIME….I see that Ray has insights that I have not yet grasped and it is so refreshing and invigorating.

This particular reader I may have answered in a more luke warm more psychologically empathetic manner that could have felt softer or more persuasive but would not have had any benefit to the person to correct, edify and warn him with vigour and  stamina of spirit, intolerance of deception and strength against error which is what Ray brings to the fore in his response to this soul in bondage who thinks he has seen hell. On the surface Rays response may appear as harsh and insensitive..... but cutting off gangrene may also appear harsh and insensitive to a toxic mind that is dying to keep alive in all the wrong mis-lead ways. I think Ray heard the cry for help and I see nothing but love in Ray’s astute response, accurate rebuttal and astringent warning. Love is a consuming fire! Here I see the other cheek being turned not in indifference or self pity, but in pain felt for the assailant and desire spoken to tell him to take up his bed and walk. I would have bent down and tried to help or persuade….caught the leprosy and joined the paralysis in dire foolishness which is exactly where Mystery Babylon teachings would have us all end up.

I am not saying a gentle word is not valuable. I am saying do we know when to respond with urgency, dexterity and tenacity or have you like me been taught to always be soft, sweet and complacent? In other words what we are taught by Mystery Babylon are teachings tailored through much professional experience who’s teachings lead us to join the mat of soul sickness and become ineffective, lukewarm, unhealthy and soulfully corrupted by wrong teachings designed to pare and make blunt the edge of our swords. ……

Notice, Ray did not quote one scripture but wow, the sword of the Word of God was right through the communication!

…do you hate?….do you reckon God hates?…do you think this is good?…what good?….I believe you are sick….Don’t e-mail me again until you repent for dishonouring and disrespecting your earthly father.

That sounds to me like….I am not getting down there with you. Get up and take up your bed and walk!……

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

gmik:
Arcturus, I agree.

When I read that e mail I just was amazed at the answer. Ray is truly one of a kind.
Your response gave words to my feelings!

love,
gena

Deborah-Leigh:
Like mindedness Gena. ...thank you!

Sometimes a harsh cutting word cuts away the filth of error which I hope has happened for the pain ridden soul that wrote in...........God set up this site and blesses us with showing us His ways.........It is truly wonderful!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

mari_et_pere:

It amazes me how people correlate a subconcious brain fart with a vision from the Almighty God. How many weirdo distortions to the Word have been believed by thousands, if not millions of people just because of somebody's dream that they had the night before? We have to seperate reality, which is located soundly in the lines of God's Word, from our human "understanding." We believe what we experience in this world as reality, but what we perceive isn't always what the Scriptures say is really going on. This person saw hell in a "vision." A vision from where? And from whom? And why?

Sometimes our confusion and pain blinds us from the truth and allows lies to be believed.

M@tt

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Marie et pere

For me it is really very sad actually until I shake myself off, dust off my feet and pick myself up by the scruff of my neck and gather  up my mat to keep walking :D  Don’t you think that this.....subconcious brain fart.... is how we all have to grow up from puking babies to compassionate and then strong in the spirit adults of which Ray certainly is! 

The challenge is that we have to love these ugly ducklings and  not feel superior or  look down on these souls in excruciating pain and agony. What I am learning is NOT TO JOIN THEM through misplaced compassion and softy sentimentality. I have suffered the pain and I am most certain that before anyone comes to be shown the truths of God we all have to suffer. When I forget this  I am soon reminded to stay humble under pain of humiliation or pain of suffering! What is amazing to me is that what some people suffer appears to me to be  parallel to the pagan description of hell itself with two exceptions….it is not eternal because God will save us all!…and Hell does not exist except in the minds of such bound souls of whom their drug addicted brothers will swear they have seen Hell too if they have not died of fright or have been drawn into the proverbial bad trip. The visions are real. The interpretations are  out of sync with what is real in Sprit and in Truth. In this I agree with you Marie et pere.

I am challenged every time to see this agony as THE PLAN and the end result as the WILL of God which is great for us all and not to be chocked up, sorrow driven and depression bound for the darkness that is clearly upon the world that would beckon us to join in  self seeking shows of compassion and approval attracting efforts to appear saintly!

The scriptures do not contradict. I see Ray sharing in this pain of the soul who took the time through mind bending agony to communicate with Ray. I see Ray putting aside his own opportunity to gain an audience from the world, by answering from the Spirit that will continue to attract to Ray disagreement and disapproval from the world but great love an appreciation from the brethren.

I see Rays response as selfless, compassionate and true salt light and pearls of wisdom given unstintingly to a soul in prison. In so doing, Ray is feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty and visiting the soul in prison. The soul that cries Hell is real!

Peace to you brother

Arcturus :)

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