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gmik:
Doesn't the word angel merely mean messenger?? They couldve been just humans.
gena
rrammfcitktturjsp:
Gena,
hmmm that's a new angle. But yeah you are right, angel means messenger.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
Kat:
I came across this in Ray's emails.
http://bible-truths.com/email12.htm#angels --------------------------------
Hello Sir,
Could you please shed some insights about the fallen angels in Genesis Chp6 1-7. Apparently it goes to say, there was too much wickedness on earth that it grieved God.
I am a bit confused about that. I believe God is ALL KNOWING so why did He got so grieved and decided to wipe these people off the face of the Earth with the exception of Noah.
Your explanation would be greatly appreciated if you have time
God Bless and Stay Blessed
Abed
[Ray Replies]
Dear Abed:
Thank you for your email and questions.
Gen. 6 has absolutely NOTHING to do with "fallen angels." The "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" is not speaking of mortals and spirit beings. This is just another one of Christendom's fables.
Jesus plainly told us that,
"Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures, nor the power of God., For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage [why? why aren't they given in marriage? Answer....] ...but are AS THE ANGELS of God in heaven" (Matt. 22:30).
The angels CANNOT MARRY (they have no 'marriage apparatus' if you know what I mean). Yet we are told in Gen. 6:2, that "they took them WIVES of all which they chose." To have a "wife" one must be "MARRIED." The sons of God and the daughters of men are BOTH HUMAN.
I believe that verse 4 of Gen. 6 is a terrible translation in the King James. Since most translators have bought into the 'angels fornicating with women' theory, most of them have a very strange translation of this verse. There are whole words in this Hebrew verse that are not even translated at all in most versions.
Notice this translation from the Concordant Version:
"Now the DISTINGUISHED come to be in the earth in those days, and moreover, afterward, coming are those who are sons of God to the daughters of the human, and they bear for them. They are the MASTERS, who are from the eon, MORTALS with the name."
Sorry I don't have time to explain the meaning of all these verses, but at least I want you to know that this is not a case of angels fornicating with women.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
rrammfcitktturjsp:
Kat,
Thanks so much for posting. I will reply later.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
UncleBeau:
I was studying on this topic a little while ago and I'm just going to give you a few things to think about. This involves the Book of Enoch compared to scripture. I haven't looked into the validity of the Book of Enoch, so you should find that out for yourself. What I'm going to do is just tell you what it says. I got the text info from http://reluctant-messenger.com/book_of_enoch.htm
- Chapter 1 in section 1 refers to the same story that you see in Genesis about the Nephilim as a parable.
[Chapter 1]
"...Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:"
-as you can see in Chapter 7, it says there heights are 3,000 ells (45 inches is the largest assumption). THAT'S 11,250 FEET TALL!! Are we believing this to be litteral?
[Chapter 7]
1 And all the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them, and they taught them charms 2 and enchantments, and the cutting of roots, and made them acquainted with plants. And they 3 became pregnant, and they bare great giants, whose height was three thousand ells: Who consumed 4 all the acquisitions of men. And when men could no longer sustain them, the giants turned against 5 them and devoured mankind. And they began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and 6 fish, and to devour one another's flesh, and drink the blood. Then the earth laid accusation against the lawless ones.
-Chapter 19 calls them angels, but also refers to this as a VISION!
[Chapter 19]
1 And Uriel said to me: 'Here shall stand the angels who have connected themselves with women, and their spirits assuming many different forms are defiling mankind and shall lead them astray into sacrificing to demons as gods, (here shall they stand,) till the day of the great judgement in 2 which they shall be judged till they are made an end of. And the women also of the angels who 3 went astray shall become sirens.' And I, Enoch, alone saw the vision, the ends of all things: and no man shall see as I have seen.
-Chapter 37 is the first part of Section 2, but it starts out calling it the SECOND VISION. This proves that the entire first section was intended to describe the entire first vision.
[Chapter 37]
1 "The second vision which he saw..."
-Jesus did say that being as angels, we will not marry or be given in marriage (Matt.22:30, Mark12:25), right? So this couldn't be speaking of spiritual beings, correct?
-Jesus said no one has gone into Heaven except Him (John 3:13)
I suggest we as believers should not give in to fairy tales by believing that there was LITTERALLY a race of people who were two miles tall. Who could nurse a baby that size? and how many sheep skins would you have to get a hold of to cover that up? I'm not even going to say how rediculous that would be to have a flood with beings like that who could stand on the tops of mountains.
Just so you all know, I'm just posting some things for us to think about so we can rightly divide the truth and not to be fooled by false teachings.
-Beau
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