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rocky:
--- Quote from: shibboleth on April 07, 2006, 02:41:26 PM ---The scripture that I have used a few times to show the salvation of all is Matthew 13:41-43 This chapter is talking about the parable of the sower and how some seed fell on good soil and some fell on bad soil. In verses 24-30 Jesus tells us not to separate the wheat from the tares until havest time, becuase they look identical. He also teels the parable of the mustard seed and the soman who hid meal in three measures.
Mt.13:38-40 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the childred of the wicked one;The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of the world.
These verses are talking about the fire that burns the ungodly.
But what really quickened in my spirit is verses in Mt. 13:41-43 The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 THEN SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN IN THE KINGDOM OF THEIR FATHER. WHO HATH EARS TO HEAR, LET HIM HEAR.
Can you see it? These are people who are gathered out of Gods kingdom and placed in the LOF {Gods spiritual cleansing} and come out righteous.
I haven't had one person who believes in ET who could explain this verse without twisting themselves up like a pretzel.
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This set of scriptures really helped me see the scope of God's plan, especially this last verse posted.
Mat 23:2 "The Scribes," He said, "and the Pharisees sit in the chair of Moses.
Mat 23:10 And do not accept the name of 'leader,' for your Leader is one alone--the Christ.
Mat 23:13 "But alas for you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you lock the door of the Kingdom of the Heavens against men; you yourselves do not enter, nor do you allow those to enter who are seeking to do so.
Mat 23:15 "Alas for you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for you scour sea and land in order to win one convert--and when he is gained, you make him twice as much a son of Gehenna as yourselves.
Mat 23:33 O serpents, O vipers' brood, how are you to escape condemnation to Gehenna?
Mat 23:37 "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem! thou who murderest the Prophets and stonest those who have been sent to thee! how often have I desired to gather thy children to me, just as a hen gathers her chickens under her wings, and you would not come!
Mat 23:38 See, your house will now be left to you desolate!
Mat 23:39 For I tell you that you will never see me again until you say, 'BLESSED BE HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD.'"
Lightseeker:
shiboleth,
--- Quote --- Mt.13:38-40 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the childred of the wicked one;The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of the world.
These verses are talking about the fire that burns the ungodly.
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I had not seen these verses in the way you do, and I still don't. I see these verses differently even though I do believe in UR and not ET. To me this scripture is saying that those taken out of the kingdom are unrighteous believers who still offend and practice iniquity.
--- Quote ---But what really quickened in my spirit is verses in Mt. 13:41-43 The Son of Man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire; there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 THEN SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN IN THE KINGDOM OF THEIR FATHER. WHO HATH EARS TO HEAR, LET HIM HEAR.
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When all the unrighteous are taken out of spiritual Babylon (the unrighteous church), then only the truly righteous ones which are left will shine as suns/sons of righteousness. And the Lord will truly have a glorious church without spot or wrinkle.
--- Quote ---Can you see it? These are people who are gathered out of Gods kingdom and placed in the LOF {Gods spiritual cleansing} and come out righteous.
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REV 1:6 and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father - to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.
What I see is that 'we' are 'the kingdom' and not the world?
--- Quote ---I haven't had one person who believes in ET who could explain this verse without twisting themselves up like a pretzel.
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Maybe not one who believes in ET but certainly one who doesn't. ;D No offence meant...especially with what I just said above about 'offenders'. :o
Origen II:
Thank you for the responses, Joey and Orion...but I still don't understand what it means to be "saved".
It seems being "saved" is only in reserve for the Saints that accept Christ now. I dunno what you would call the salvation of the wicked later, but it certainly would not be "saved".
rocky:
--- Quote from: Origen II on July 30, 2006, 04:32:38 PM ---Thank you for the responses, Joey and Orion...but I still don't understand what it means to be "saved".
It seems being "saved" is only in reserve for the Saints that accept Christ now. I dunno what you would call the salvation of the wicked later, but it certainly would not be "saved".
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That is an interesting thot, I'm not sure what "being saved" means either. Is it immortality??? Is it the end result of being confomred into his image???
Is saved the same as "life eternal" to know Him??
We are all on a trip to the same place (Christ took care of that for all manking on the cross), with the end of the trip being immortality, made in his image.
But many of us on this trip are blind, in complete "darkness", not knowing where we are going, cut off from the light, fearing every turn, every bump, every moment. Living in darkness.
But some have had their eyes opened,the light has shined upon them, and shows the way. We fear no longer the bumps, the corners the process, we have the light with us.
Is being saved, the same as having this light shine in us. The llight to comfort us, guide us, and keep us safe during this trip to immortality. While those not saved, are those who are in complete darkness till the trip is over???
orion77:
Here is a few verses that may help:
(2Co 2:14) But thanks be to God, the One always leading us in triumph in Christ, and the One revealing through us the odor of the knowledge of Him in every place.
(2Co 2:15) For we are a sweet smell to God because of Christ in those being saved, and in those being lost;
(2Co 2:16) to the one, an odor of death unto death, and to the other, an odor of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things?
(2Co 2:17) For we are not as the many, peddling the Word of God; but as of sincerity, but as of God. We speak in Christ, in the sight of God.
(Eph 3:17) that through faith Christ may dwell in your hearts, having been rooted and founded in love,
(Eph 3:18) that you may be given strength to grasp, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and depth and height,
(Eph 3:19) and to know the surpassing knowledge and love of Christ, that you may be filled to all the fullness of God.
(Eph 4:13) until we all may come to the unity of the faith and of the full knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ,
(Eph 4:14) so that we may no longer be infants, being blown and carried about by every wind of doctrine, in the sleight of men, in craftiness to the deceit of error,
(Eph 4:15) but speaking the truth in love, we may grow up into Him in all things, who is the Head, the Christ,
(Eph 4:16) from whom all the body, having been fitted and compacted together through every assisting bond, according to the effectual working of one measure in each part, produces the growth of the body to the building up of itself in love.
(Eph 4:17) Therefore, I say this, and testify in the Lord, that you no longer walk even as also the rest of the nations walk, in the vanity of their mind,
(Eph 4:18) having been darkened in the intellect, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance which is in them because of the hardness of their heart,
(Eph 4:19) who, having cast off all feeling, gave themselves up to lust, to the working of all uncleanness with greediness.
(Eph 4:20) But you have not so learned Christ,
(Eph 4:21) if indeed you heard Him and were taught in Him, as the truth is in Jesus.
(Eph 4:22) For you have put off the old man, as regards the former behavior, having been corrupted according to the deceitful lusts,
(Eph 4:23) and to be renewed in the spirit of your mind,
(Eph 4:24) and to put on the new man, which according to God was created in righteousness and true holiness.
(Eph 4:25) Therefore, putting off the false, "speak truth each with his neighbor," because we are members of one another. Zech. 8:16
Being saved is an ever growing process, to where we come to the full knowledge of Christ. Christ and the Father walked as One, now Christ is in us, as one. The walk onto maturity is to walk with each other as one, as they and we are one. Being saved is being able to endure this process through patience in truth and love, to becoming the Body of Christ, in unity with Christ being the Head, for He is Lord over all. We must have faith that the day will come, when God will be all in all.
Hope this helps,
God bless,
Gary
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