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Resurrected Body
kennymac:
Hi Kat,
I think you are correct in saying, Maybe it can be both ways, as need be? I think in the next age those who are chosen will have access into both realms.
Is the resurrected body physical or spiritual? The answer must be both. He had a heavenly Father and an earthly mother, and the resurrected body was the culmination of that relationship. He could enter the spiritual dimension (“heaven”) or the physical, earthly dimension at will. His Father had given Him all authority in BOTH realms, even as He said in Matt. 28:18
18 . . . All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.
As a result, He could take a physical form where the disciples could touch Him and see the wounds of His crucifixion (John 20:27). He could also eat food with the disciples (John 21:13; Luke 24:43). Then He could vanish (Luke 24:31) just as suddenly by taking spirit form. The question of whether Jesus was merely a spirit or if He had physical characteristics is answered in Luke 24:36-43. As you have already quoted in your post.
Jesus went out of His way to prove to them that He was not a spirit and that he had “flesh and bones.” He showed the disciples His physical scars, which no spirit would have. Then He asked for something to eat.
Many talk of the fact that Jesus was flesh and bones and did not speak of having blood, while true, Luke was focused on a greater truth Jesus was raised a physical body.
This is not to say that Jesus was limited by His flesh to the physical world. The marvel of the moment was that Jesus, though physical, could move just as freely in the spiritual dimension as well. He was not confined to the spirit world, nor was He limited to the physical world. He had free access to both. He had all authority in both heaven and earth, the spiritual and the physical realms.
Jesus said to the Samaritan woman in John 4:24,
24 God is Spirit; and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth.
It seems that the Father has limited Himself to the realm of the spiritual world. Humanity is likewise generally limited to the physical world. But Jesus is the Mediator, the Bridge between heaven and earth. More than that, He is our resurrection Pattern, our Example, by which we can know our destiny as well. What He is, we are becoming, for He is our Forerunner.
Jesus is limited by neither the spiritual world nor the physical world. He has all authority in BOTH realms. And so, even though we do not know very much about the nature of the resurrected body, the Bible makes these essentials very clear, because the nature of His resurrected body has become the pattern for our own resurrected body.
Kat, take a look at these scriptures, I think but I could be totally wrong, that they are prophetic of the new priesthood, in the age to come.
We are told in Ezekiel 44:10-14 that the “idolatrous priests” would be limited to the “outer court” in ministering to men.
10 And the Levites that are gone away far from Me, when Israel went astray, which went astray from Me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity. 11 Yet they shall be ministers in My sanctuary, having charge of the house and ministering to the house; they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them. 12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up Mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity. 13 And they shall NOT come near unto Me to do the office of a priest unto Me, nor to come near to any of My holy things in the most holy place; but they shall bear their shame and their abominations which they have committed. 14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.
While Ezekiel seemed to speak of the time of an earthly temple being built, complete with sacrifices, it can't be. God does not plan to revert back to an Old Testament sacrificial system with Levitical priests in a physical temple. Jesus has already made the full and final sacrifice for sin.
In this “temple,” Ezekiel tells us, the idolatrous Levites will be allowed to minister to the house and to the people in the “outer court.” One might think that idol worshippers would be unbelievers, and that God would not allow them access to this temple at all. However, the fact that God allows them to minister to the people in the outer court of His temple shows that these are believers with heart idolatry. Their priorities are wrong. Perhaps their love of money has caused them to set aside the divine law against fraudulently extracting money from their congregations. Perhaps they love the Church more than they love God and are willing to sacrifice their relationship with God in order to maintain their membership or position in the Church.
There are many ways for a believer to harbor heart idols. They are Christians, but they are not of God’s elect, the Melchizedek Order. The Bible here makes a clear distinction between these two groups.
These idolatrous Levites are allowed to minister to men in the fleshly body—the outer court. In one sense, we are the temple of God. The temple had an outer court (body), a holy place (soul), and a holy of holies (spirit).It seems Ezekiel is telling us that these carnal, leavened Christians will be allowed to do the work of God in that day, but they will be limited to the fleshly body. They will not inherit the first resurrection, nor will they be endowed with the fullness of God’s Spirit at that time. They wii probably have to await the 2nd resurrection.
Ezekiel goes on to tell us of the other priests, the “sons of Zadok” (Melchi-zedek Order) who will be allowed to minister to God in the inner sanctuary (spiritual realm; heaven) as well as to the people in the other court (earthly realm in a physical body). Ezekiel 44 continues,
15 But the Levitical priests, the sons of Zadok, who kept charge of My sanctuary when the sons of Israel went astray from Me, shall come near to Me to minister to me; and they shall stand before Me to offer Me the fat and the blood, declares the Lord God. 16 They shall enter My sanctuary; they shall come near to my table to minister to Me and keep My charge. 17 And it shall be that when they enter at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and wool shall not be on them while they are ministering in the gates of the inner court and in the house. 18 Linen turbans shall be on their heads, and linen undergarments shall be on their loins; they shall not gird themselves with anything which makes them sweat. 19 And when they go out into the outer court, into the outer court of the people, they shall PUT OFF their garments in which they have been ministering and lay them in the holy chambers; then they shall put on OTHER GARMENTS [woolen] that they may not transmit holiness [perfection and immortality] to the people with their [linen] garments.
It seems like Ezekiel is telling us these priests will move between both realms.
God bless
Kennymac
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Kennymac
To add : Matt 11:11 Truly I tell you, among thos born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist, yet he who is LEAST (there is a least) in the Kingdom of heaven is GREATER ( there is a greater) than He.
As I understand this.....in the end God willl be all in all. Until then we know that there are the called, the chosen and the many who go by the broadside to perdition. I believe the Elect will inherit the likeness of the Spiritual body of Christ. The called will be in the bodies we will recognise as Moses and Abraham who we will be able to sit down with. They will be the appointed Government of God on Earth. The others will be those who are to be ruled until unto righteousness all can be returned by Christ back to God.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Kennymac,
Your post was very well put together, your explanation made it understandable.
--- Quote --- The marvel of the moment was that Jesus, though physical, could move just as freely in the spiritual dimension as well. He was not confined to the spirit world, nor was He limited to the physical world. He had free access to both. He had all authority in both heaven and earth, the spiritual and the physical realms.
--- End quote ---
Mat 28:18 And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
I think this is the key scripture, He has all authority and therefore moves freely through heaven and the earth, in physical form as He so chooses.
As you pointed out the scripture in Eze. 44, this seems like to me it may be referring to the elect, and how it will be after the resurrection.
Eze 44:19 And when they go out into the outer court to the people, they shall put off the garments in which they have been ministering and lay them in the holy chambers. And they shall put on other garments, lest they communicate holiness to the people with their garments.
If the garments are the spiritual or physical forms, then it would be referring to putting on the physical form when among the physical people, still on earth.
As you mentioned Arturus, I too think that the many called will be those people the elect will rule over, on this earth.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
I believe there are two parts to the Kingdom of God that Christ comes to rule. Heaven and Earth.
Eph 1 10 That in the dispensation of the fullness of times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in Heaven and on earth, even in Him.
The first part is spiritual and the second is on the earth and is visible and seen. Jesus said we will see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God. Won't these prophets be under direction of the unseen spiritual members of the same Kingdom as they represent of the heavenly kingdom on the earth and rule accordingly? Wouldn't these appointed rulers over Earth receive the recognition of their Spiritual representation, authority and power from Christ in Spirit over Heaven and the Earth? I think so.
All others who have fallen short of this glory will be trained in righteousness until all are brought into the knowledge of God and Christ. Then God can be all in all after Christ submits everything including Himself back to God. To know God is to love God. To love God is to know Him. There can be no love without HIM and no knowledge without His Son who reveals Him.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Arcturus,
I am trying to get this straightened out in my mind, as to how it all works together in the kingdom.
You said-
--- Quote ---I believe there are two parts to the Kingdom of God that Christ comes to rule. Heaven and Earth.
--- End quote ---
--- Quote --- Jesus said we will see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God. Won't these prophets be under direction of the unseen spiritual members of the same Kingdom as they represent of the heavenly kingdom on the earth and rule accordingly?
--- End quote ---
I can see that there is more to this than the elect ruling as spirit being. I do believe we will be able to take on a physical form, as Jesus did after His resurrection.
Also I can see that there will be set up a earthly gov. where Jesus and the elect administrate over it.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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