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Resurrection of the Dead
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello rvhill
--- Quote from: rvhill on January 15, 2007, 06:17:34 PM ---my then who is saved? Was something of a rhetorical question.
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Not rhetorical perhaps but repeated yes. I noticed that you asked the same question in Question about SharingUR thread where you yourself presented part of the answer you were perhaps seeking. You quoted 1 Cor 3 : 17 and 2 Thes 2 : 4
1 Corinthians 3:17 If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God's temple is sacred, and you are that temple.
Those who are God's temple are saved because God will destroy anyone who destroys God's temple.
Who destroys God's temple? Those who oppose and exalt themselves above God.
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
As Paul writes...the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: gmik on January 13, 2007, 01:29:25 AM ---Hi folks. Just read an e mail of Rays about the cosen saints will resurrect to rule w/ Christ and the wicked vile unbelievers will be raised to judgement.
Just wanted to know what anyone thought about the "other" group of people--the ones in the middle of those 2 groups.
The believers who may not be chosen, and decent "God fearing" people of tribes & tongues that have not heard....????
thanks,
gena
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Gena,
I believe Kat and some of the others answered this through the thread but as it often happens we have veered off in some other directions.
There are 3 types of "ultimately saved" people, the elect, those who are called but for whatever reason remain (spiritually) unlearned or even deceived, and those who are unbelievers. But there are only 2 results, raised first, to glory or to be raised to the White Throne Judgement and the Lake.
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Deborah-Leigh:
At last the short story! ;D
You make running this race quite worth while Joe! 8)
Pretty simple when you see it like that hey Gena? Three types...two results ;D That helps...as has this entire thread that has been very edifying. 8)
I feel like I have just gone from the one thousand meters to the short distance 100 meters sprint. ;D
His Joy to you
Arcturus :)
whatslifeallabout:
--- Quote from: Kat on January 14, 2007, 11:30:19 AM ---
Hi Vic,
The only way to be in the first resurrection is to belong to Christ.
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ.
The patriarchs never knew Christ, they must be brought to salvation through Christ, just like everybody will have to be.
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Hi Kat and friends,
I appreciate this forum! Do have a question though:
Can we really say with assurance that the patriarchs did not know CHRIST Himself? Naturally they did not know about the life He lived after being born of Mary, or the crucifixion, etc.
But Christ is the "Mediator between God (the Father) and man" - Hebrews-- and hasn't He always been?
The Scriptures say more than once "No man has ever seen God" and yet there are accounts in the Old Testament of men seeing God, from Him walking in the Garden to appearing to Abraham, etc. I see these as "pre-incarnate" appearances of Christ.
The Old Testament prophets had a level of relationship with God that allowed them to quote (sometimes for pages on end) the actual words of God as they were prophesying.
Do any of us today have THIS LEVEL of relationship with God? Do we have a relationship with God that surpasses the relationship with God experienced by Enoch, or Noah, or Moses?
Peter says "The Spirit of Christ that was in them" was speaking through the prophets of old.
Jesus said that you MUST be born again in order to enter the Kingdom of God. No exceptions. Does that only take place in the life of those who have actually heard the Gospel, or can God work apart from the words of men? Can we really assume that the Spirit of God couldn't allow someone to be born of God unless they hear about the Gospel? Isn't that the same kind of Baptist thinking that ultimately results in "Pray this sinner's prayer and you will live forever with God, and if you don't you will burn forever" --
in other words, the church claims that you have to hear this particular message (which MOST of the world has never heard) in order for God to be able to work in your heart and spirit, and be born into God's family. I think it makes more sense what Jesus said when He said "The Spirit goes wherever it wants -- you can hear the sound of it but you dont know where it's coming from or where it's going. It's the same way with everyone who is born of the Spirit. "
It seems true that "God is Love, and those who truly love are Born of God and know God. Those who don't know Love don't know God for God IS love".
God's Spirit of Holy Love is at work all over the world, in the hearts of men. It seems that this means that people like Abraham certainly could, in fact, have known Jesus Himself, and did in fact give their hearts to Jesus, and were born into His family even though they didn't hear the full message (and how many people HAVE heard the full and complete message of the Gospel, for that matter?)
Should we limit God to only working in the lives of those who understand the true Gospel? NO ONE in the Old Testament understood the deeper things discussed on this site -- and out of a billion people on this planet who are Christians, it looks like there are less than 500 of them are regular users of this site. Is doctrinal correctness the key to entering the Kingdom, along with living a sinless life and successfully crucifying our flesh?
If so, may God have mercy on us all (maybe that's why we all need our wonderful Savior!).
If doctrinal understanding is the key to entering the kingdom, it seems safe to assume that no one will get in on the first round. For example, even among this abnormally blessed (with insight and knowledge) group: can anyone reading this posting, say for a certainty that they are for sure part of a very elect few who will attain to the first resurrection and rulership with Christ?
May God abundantly bless you all!
Warmly,
Rob
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---The Scriptures say more than once "No man has ever seen God" and yet there are accounts in the Old Testament of men seeing God, from Him walking in the Garden to appearing to Abraham, etc. I see these as "pre-incarnate" appearances of Christ.
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Rob, are you aware that Christ is the God of the Old Testament? No man has seen God The Father.
Dennis
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