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Reveling in infidelities
Joey Porter:
--- Quote from: Kat on January 31, 2007, 01:42:55 AM ---
Hi Joey,
--- Quote --- I am trying to reconcile all of this in my mind with the idea of a traditional ceremony with a physical ring and tangible paperwork, etc.
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I don't think anyone was suggesting that someone should go through a church wedding.
There were alternatives brought up, but that is not something that needs to be decided here.
--- Quote ---We should always strive to seek out the spirit of the scripture, as opposed to merely just the printed letter.
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I think that is the whole objective of those of us here :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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I understand about the alternatives and so forth. But I guess the main question to ponder is - what is the definition of true marriage, and who or what defines it? Is it God plus the hearts of the two alone that define it, or is it both of those things combined with the culture of the time?
I just can't bring myself to autmomatically profess Bradigan's situaton as being blatantly sinful. Maybe it is sinful. Maybe it is not. I didn't want to reply to give my opinion of that specific situation. But I did want to reply simply because of the concern I had about some of the strife that seems to have arisen.
I'm not really going to post on this issue any further because it's not something that I am feeling drawn to at this time.
God bless. :)
Kat:
Hi Joey,
I guess we have heard all sides on this pretty much.
So it is ultimately something that the people involved must work out for themselves.
And of course we have no free will, so it is all God caused ;)
Rom 14:10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God;
v. 11 for it is written, "As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God."
v. 12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
v. 13 Therefore let us not pass judgment on one another any longer, but rather decide never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of a brother.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
Marriage is divinely instituted.
Gen 2 : 24 Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall become united and cleave to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.
NOTICE the above scripture does NOT say the following….therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother, shall become one flesh and THEN become united and cleave to his wife.
God is a God of order!
Marriage is a covenant relationship
Mal 2 : 7,8 For the Priests lips should guard and keep pure the knowledge of My law and the people should seek inquire for and require instruction at his mouth; for he is the ;messenger of the Lord of hosts. 8. But you have turned aside out of the way; you have caused many to stumble by your instruction in the law you have corrupted the covenant of Levi with Me says the Lord of hosts.
Marriage is celebrated with great rejoicing.
Jeremiah 33 : 11 The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of THEM that shall say, Praise the Lord of hosts; for the Lord is good; for His mercy endureth for ever; and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the Lord, For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, says the Lord.John 3 : 29 He who has the bride is the bridegroom; but the groomsman who stands by and LISTENS to HIM rejoices greatly and heartily on account of the bridegroom’s voice. This then is my pleasure and joy, and it is now complete.
Marriage rejected in latter days.
1 Tim 4 : 2,3 Through the hypocrisy and pretensions of liars whose consciences are seared, cauterised, 3 Who forbid people to marry ….which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and have an increasingly clear knowledge of the truth.
Marriage is illustrative of Christ’s union with His Church
Eph 5 : 23,24,32
For the HUSBAND is head of the wife as Christ is the Head of the church, Himself the Savior of His body 24. As the church is subject to Christ, so let wives also be subject in everything to their HUSBANDS. THIS MYSTERY IS VERY GREAT…………
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Redbird:
So, it sounds like the recipe for God's marriage plan is;
1. Leave
2. Cleave
3. Become as one
Easier said than done! But, with God, all things are possible.
Peace, Lisa
Craig:
--- Quote from: Joey Porter on January 31, 2007, 01:17:01 AM ---
I've heard Ray say a few times that "the bible doesn't always mean what it says, but it always means what it means." I've seen people say that we must back up our beliefs on this issue with scripture. That certainly is true, but it's never really as simple as that. We should always strive to seek out the spirit of the scripture, as opposed to merely just the printed letter. After all, every major Christian denomination in the world backs up their doctrines with scripture. So just because the scriptures speak of marriage feasts and so forth doesn't necessarily mean that the scriptures endorse an actual wedding ceremony, with an exchange of vows, conducted by a "minister'' or "priest.''
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Joey that is what Joe stated earlier
--- Quote ---The ceremony, the ring and all that is not important at all it is the public proclaimation and record of this proclaimation in regard to the intent for a man and a woman to love and cherish each other for the rest of their natural lives. The state requires a marriage certificate in the case of dividing property or inheritence to the children, of course a will can cover these things, social security benefits and other things are affected by marriage and even the length of the marriage.
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I would think God would care less about the ceremomy.
Craig
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