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gmik:
I liked the post too Arcturus.

We went thru a period where we felt God would heal us, so my hubby & I threw away our pills and glasses.  Rather sheepishly a few days later we had to reorder everything!! Ah the vanity of youth.

All is of God.  Pray, believe, trust, hope, learn whether you see a Dr. or not.  Dr. are not the enemy.  Where did the knowledge to invent & discover come from.....??  God of course.  He reveals things in His time..He will let scientists discover the cure for cancer when it is time.

I go to doctors and I also pray for healing.  I think they work together fine.

love,
gena

hillsbororiver:
I want to thank everyone for their heartfelt answers and to see that we can be in agreement on the healthy benefits of visiting the Doctor even though there are no direct commands to do so scripturally, it is obviously implied but not in a clear "Thou shalt" manner.

Some institutions or traditions of man and some degrees or certificates are for our benefit as we experience this earthly journey. There are man made (yet God inspired) customs that protect us and our children and that attempt to protect the weak from the (predator type) strong as well.

I must now say that my "hypothetical friend" was just that, hypothetical. The situation I described was for illustrative purposes.

The following are a couple of articles dealing with things we all can do to be healthier and more prosperous in this life (God willing).

  Go for Regular Health and Medical Check-Ups

Regardless of busy schedule, we should undergo regular medical check-ups to detect or prevent illnesses and diseases.
Almost all of us are guilty, in one way or another, of neglecting our health even if we don't intend to. Stressed-out moms and dads usually spend long working hours in the office to finance their kid's education and pay for bills. On the other hand, there are model teens who forgo the 'luxury' of sleeping eight hours a night just to finish school papers and projects. All forms of compromise we make, such as insufficient sleep and fatty diet, have subsequent effects in our health. In our quest for achieving a good life, we often sacrifice our health and medical condition. The overwhelming pressure brought about by work, school, and personal concerns can very well make us oblivious of symptoms of serious illness or disease. Most of the time, people learn about their troublesome health and medical condition, like cancer and stroke, when it's already too late to be treated.

No matter how busy we are, health and medical experts say we should always subject ourselves to regular check-ups. It is so normal for us to visit the doctor only when we feel there's something wrong. But the thing is, not all symptoms of deadly illnesses can easily be felt and seen. For instance, a woman who has breast cancer may never notice the small lump in her right breast until she takes some time to self-assess her breasts. We may think we're perfectly fine until we suddenly breakdown in a middle of the day and find out we're not in tip-top shape after all. Younger people need to undergo general medical checkups with special attention on blood pressure or blood sugar (to prevent on-set of heart diseases and diabetes). Those belonging to the senior citizen-bracket should go for check-ups that can detect certain kinds of cancer.

Aside from general health and medical check-ups, women have to undergo pap smear annually to prevent cervical cancer or diseases related to reproductive system. It is also a must for women in their forties to subject themselves to mammogram. Breast self-checkup every month would suffice for younger women. Pregnant and lactating mothers also have to undergo pre and post natal checkups. Health and medical experts also advice parents to bring their children to the doctor for necessary immunization and proper health care. Since regular health checkups is indispensable, we should see to it that we have a family doctor. A family doctor is the one to hold all the medical records for future reference.

For more valuable information on Health and Medical, please visit http://www.healthseek.info


Top 10 Marriage Myths
By David Popenoe


The most recent U.S. Census figures confirm what most everyone already knows — divorce rates, indeed, are on the rise.
With nearly half of all marriages ending in divorce, many couples are starting to re-evaluate their relationships.

But before you start any heady analysis, it's important to know the facts from the myths when it comes to marriage:

Marriage Myth 1: Marriage benefits men much more than women.

Fact: Contrary to earlier and widely publicized reports, recent research finds men and women to benefit about equally from marriage, although in different ways. Both men and women live longer, happier, healthier and wealthier lives when they are married. Husbands typically gain greater health benefits, while wives gain greater financial advantages.

Marriage Myth 2: Having children typically brings a married couple closer together and increases marital happiness.

Fact: Many studies have shown that the arrival of the first baby commonly has the effect of pushing the mother and father farther apart, and bringing stress to the marriage. However, couples with children have a slightly lower rate of divorce than childless couples.

Marriage Myth 3: The keys to long-term marital success are good luck and romantic love.

Fact: Rather than luck and love, the most common reasons couples give for their long-term marital success are commitment and companionship. They define their marriage as a creation that has taken hard work, dedication and commitment (to each other and to the institution of marriage). The happiest couples are friends who share lives and are compatible in interests and values.

Marriage Myth 4: The more educated a woman becomes, the lower are her chances of getting married.

Fact: A recent study based on marriage rates in the mid-1990s concluded that today's women college graduates are more likely to marry than their non-college peers, despite their older age at first marriage. This is a change from the past, when women with more education were less likely to marry.

Marriage Myth 5: Couples who live together before marriage, and are thus able to test how well suited they are for each other, have more satisfying and longer-lasting marriages than couples who do not.

Fact: Many studies have found that those who live together before marriage have less satisfying marriages and a considerably higher chance of eventually breaking up. One reason is that people who cohabit may be more skittish of commitment and more likely to call it quits when problems arise. But in addition, the very act of living together may lead to attitudes that make happy marriages more difficult. The findings of one recent study, for example, suggest "there may be less motivation for cohabiting partners to develop their conflict resolution and support skills." (One important exception: Cohabiting couples who are already planning to marry each other in the near future have just as good a chance at staying together as couples who don't live together before marriage).

Marriage Myth 6: People can't be expected to stay in a marriage for a lifetime as they did in the past because we live so much longer today.

Fact: Unless our comparison goes back a hundred years, there is no basis for this belief. The enormous increase in longevity is due mainly to a steep reduction in infant mortality. And while adults today can expect to live a little longer than their grandparents, they also marry at a later age. The life span of a typical, divorce-free marriage, therefore, has not changed much in the past 50 years. Also, many couples call it quits long before they get to a significant anniversary: Half of all divorces take place by the seventh year of a marriage.

Marriage Myth 7: Marrying puts a woman at greater risk of domestic violence than if she remains single.

Fact: Contrary to the proposition that for men "a marriage license is a hitting license," a large body of research shows that being unmarried — and especially living with a man outside of marriage — is associated with a considerably higher risk of domestic violence for women. One reason for this finding is that married women may significantly underreport domestic violence. Further, women are less likely to marry and more likely to divorce a man who is violent. Yet it is probably also the case that married men are less likely to commit domestic violence because they are more invested in their wives' well-being, and more integrated into the extended family and community. These social forces seem to help check men's violent behavior.

Marriage Myth 8: Married people have less satisfying sex lives, and less sex, than single people.

Fact: According to a large-scale national study, married people have both more and better sex than do their unmarried counterparts. Not only do they have sex more often but they enjoy it more, both physically and emotionally.

Marriage Myth 9: Cohabitation is just like marriage, but without "the piece of paper."

Fact: Cohabitation typically does not bring the benefits — in physical health, wealth and emotional wellbeing — that marriage does. In terms of these benefits, cohabitants in the United States more closely resemble singles than married couples. This is due, in part, to the fact that cohabitants tend not to be as committed as married couples, and they are more oriented toward their own personal autonomy and less to the well-being of their partner.

Marriage Myth 10: Because of the high divorce rate, which weeds out the unhappy marriages, people who stay married have happier marriages than people did in the past when everyone stuck it out, no matter how bad the marriage.

Fact: According to what people have reported in several large national surveys, the general level of happiness in marriages has not increased and probably has declined slightly. Some studies have found in recent marriages, compared to those of 20 or 30 years ago, significantly more work-related stress, more marital conflict and less marital interaction.

Copyright 2002 by David Popenoe, the National Marriage Project at Rutgers University, New Brunswick, N.J.

David Popenoe is professor of sociology at Rutgers University, where he is also co-director of the National Marriage Project and former social and behavioral sciences dean. He specializes in the study of family and community life in modern societies and is the author or editor of nine books. His most recent books are Life Without Father: Compelling New Evidence That Fatherhood and Marriage Are Indispensable for the Good of Children and Society and Promises to Keep: Decline and Renewal of Marriage in America.

gmik:
Good Stuff Joe.

Here is a true saying:    EVERY WOMAN ever born has DREAMED of her wedding day.  Simple or grand we all dreamed about OUR day!!!  And Every woman wants one!!!!

Has nothing to do spiritually, politicallly, tax breaks, insurance etc etc.  We all want to be a princess at least once ::)

They may not say so to their significant other, but I believe it is so.

gena ;)

Brett:
Hello,

"Why go to a doctor?" Well, I am not expert Bible and me not pure English. But I do feel like I better to share with you from what is in my mind. Most people do not believe God and hate doctors and some people trust God and go to doctors for to seek God's guideance. Like Asa in 2 Chron. 16:12, he died of disease, he refused to ask Lord for help but trust doctors more than God. But before that, Asa WAS faithul to God for years then he stoped trust God and hated Lord. Not because Asa went to doctors but because he rebel against God other things. Anyway, people who don't go doctors because they trusted God are STILL DIE. Don't they want to stay alive and continuing overcomer/judgment-house of God before death? And other, people who trust God and go to doctors, did saved their lives as well.

Doctors are NOT gauranteed to cure you. Like aids, cancer, etc.

The person who has disease heart and can die in days but doctor found 'donate' body who died of accident or something and this body had healthy heart can help other person's heart who has disease. So, he can choose to reject new heart and let it die or choose new heart and save his life. It is up to him. I don't see anywhere of against doctors in the scriptures.

Two women in Luke and Mark about they were spent all their money to visit doctors and never healed them, they seeked Jesus to heal them and it did heal them well. Jesus never criticized women or anyone who visit doctors.

Also, Luke was doctor with Paul as in Col. 4:14. Let's consider this, Paul and his friends (include Luke), I am sure that Paul or friends who were sick. Was Luke do nothing to care for them? Yes, they do pray to God but can't also Luke treat something medicine to help them feel better? And interesting, where did Paul learn about sip of wine can help stomach problem in 1 Tim. 5:23? Could be learned from doctor Luke?

And in Luke 5:31 about if flesh healthy then it need not doctor but only sick. Yes, it is parable, Jesus spoke about flesh who need doctors (sick) and then He had point about spiritual need in Luke 5:32 "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance." So, Luke 5:31 focus of flesh and 5:32 focus of spiritual. Jesus spoke like COMMON flesh sick need doctor and COMMON spiritual sick need Savior. Of course, all spiritual are SICK just like Rom. 3:23 "All have SINNED". I don't see any reason wrong to go doctors. Someone negative about doctors like the sick person get medicine still die and surgery end up paralysis. BUT there are positive, too. There are lots of good things that medicine help sick people and surgery went well. So, it is still both negative and positive treatment, something can heal and can't heal, feel better and never feel better. It is really up to God. Just like you buy car from good deal or bad deal.

Sometimes people trust God and go to doctor but not cure, and other people who don't trust God or hate God and go to doctor get cure. And ALSO, people trust God and go to doctor get cure, and other people who hate God and go to doctor but not cure. See the difference? I had some friends who never go to doctor and had very sick, I suggest him to go but he said no. That is fine with me, I respected them. But even, sometimes I wondered if that is mean they want to SUICIDE :-[.

What will you do if your hand cut off by accident? No doctor? Let your bleed out till death? Or if you break your leg bone and can sometime lead you to death, go doctor or not? Your decide. I hope it's not suicide :-\ as most people do that I know of. Likewise, if your heart has disease and the doctor found new heart that could save your life? Yes, after replace hearts in history have died AND still others have survive as well.

The scriptures do not have any concerning of 'go to a doctor'. I remember somewhere in scripture about if person neglect his body's need to take care are not please God. I can't remember where is at or maybe not?

Do I go to doctor? Yes, of course. There are some doctors can cure my illness and there are some doctors couldn't cure my other illness. I do have both, cure and not cure. This is all God's will. I do want to live more so I can do more to overcomer with God's help if He will. I remember well in scriptures about blind men that Jesus healed them many times but one thing He spit dirt to become mud and put man's eyes and told him "GO" wash in the pool of Siloam in John 9. Hmmm, seem like God can heal you right there instead of go to doctor or hospital and other God tell you "GO" to the doctor. Jesus healed blind men and other time, Jesus told like 'do something yourself' as blind man to wash the mud on his eyes in pool. This man needed 'do something' to go pool to wash his eyes to be able see. Still, other blind men did NOT 'do something' but Jesus healed them right there. Interesting. :) If person not want go doctor but pray, pray and pray and still not cure his illness, could be God's answer is "GO" to doctor and see if God has something can help you.

I know some people cannot afford to spend all their money but God still sometimes bring doctors to treat them without pay! I know one hospital for FREE all children who have CP, spine disease and their parent do not have much money. The hospital do surgery, treating children the best they can be. Wow! Bless their hearts! My son (age 10) went to that hospital for surgery both of his legs three days ago, he has mild cp and was some difficult to walk so it need to treat so he can walk better when he grow up, hopefully. We did not pay ONE PENNY to hospital! It's was so grateful. Also, it tears my eyes and overwhelming when I see many kids are deep suffers that need help and that hospital are free for them (of course, by charity giving and United Way.). Thank to Lord! For He has big heart from them. Ummmm.... well I admitted, I saw a little girl (age 9) has very skinny body and with metal around her head with screws on round her head and with rope to hold her head up for to straight her spine up so she could walk because she has weakness or fragile spine.  When I saw first saw her with beatiful eyes and big smile like happy girl and said "Hi". She lives there and she goes to school in that hospital. My son chatted with her like a good friend. My gosh, I hold my tear till I came home to cry :'(. I hate to cry myself >:(. I had not cry for long time, but I guess that girl got me :-\.

Good posts from the very first and the last one, Joe! ;)

Brett :D

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Joe

It is interesting that although we live in times some 2000 years after Jesus walked on the earth we have still not advanced ahead of the Bible that remains topical and applicable. It is present tense, direct from God to us, personal and not stuck in past time. God’s word is alive now for us. It is Gods breath.

Your post highlights this fact for me. Even though we do not find any scripture to advise us how to not cross a red robot or that we should only get our drivers licence at a certain age, we can still rely on the fundamentals, the foundational teaching guidelines of the scripture that is just as applicable today as it was in the times of Jesus.

I see that you reveal a technique of comprehension that encourages us all to apply the guiding principles of God’s inspired word. As you show with your question about whether or not scripture says we should or should not go to a Doctor, this can also be applied to any questions or to any and all topics under discussion or in life’s manifold and multiple circumstances. For everything, for every subject under the sun, God’s word remains for us as Timothy  3 : 16 ….God breathed, given by HIS inspiration, profitable for instruction, reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, and for training in righteousness in holy living, in conformity to God’s will in thought, purpose and action. 17 So that the man of God may be complete and proficient, well fitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.

We need not look to man for our direction but to God’s word to find the truth that  points to the narrow way, the least popular way, and the way that goes against our flesh to enter by. This in itself is a guiding principle. Luke 13 : 24 Strive to enter by the narrow door, force yourselves through it for many, I tell you will try to enter and will not be able.

With Gods word as our flagship, we can  proclaim as King David once did Psalms 119 : 105 Your Word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
Proverbs  6 : 23 For the commandment is a lamp, and the whole teaching of the law is light, and reproofs of discipline are the way of life.

….and we know that Jesus is The Way,  The Truth and The Life. John 14 : 6

This word of God that Christ IS, and IS NOW and EVER WILL BE PREEMINANT, must surely have inherent life  for HE is God’s breath!  GOD has exalted HIS Word above all things His Name and His Word. Psalm 138:2
WE KNOW WHO THIS IS! ;D

The principles of God’s timeless words are our inspiration…indeed the breath of life of HIS Spirit from which we draw our own lives to sustain us in fellowship, in harmony, in one accord not being our accord according to our motives or worldly accord according to indulgent conveniences, but the one accord being CHRIST who laying His life down gives us His Spirit today as our mutually life giving nourishment in the limbs of the vine branches growing in this forum.

The principles of scripture hold true for anything. Our final authority. Our benchmark of hope and trust and dependence on Christ’s own ways, His proven truths and His inherent life.

Bret I enjoyed reading your post. Dwight and Eirik, thank you for your enthusiasm and joy shining through and Gena, yes indeed, little girls love a wedding plan and the big one is still up ahead the bride and the Lamb of God! :D ;D

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

 

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