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hebrewroots98:
CRAIG, YOUR'E WLECOME; AS THIS WAS FROM MEMORY; I ALWAYS FORGET TO USE E-SWORD.LOL ;)
Craig:
Are we sure we can trust your memory, because you sure can't trust mine. :D
Craig
rocky:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on January 31, 2007, 07:11:36 PM ---Does anyone want to comment on Romans 9?
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Relative versus absolute. God is love, that's his essence. He can't hate, that's an absolute. Love can't hate.
In the relative, he hates. He hates the ungodliness of men. That's how he has determined it to happen. Mercy for some now, Mercy later for all. Love and grace are his essence. I Corinth 13 is the absolute. Romans 9 is how he works with man and how we can understand.
Through destruction of the ungodliness, the spirit (what God loves) is saved.
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote ---How can God love the Christ in me more than he loves the Christ in my next door neighbor? It is the same Christ.
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This just did not sound right to me so I contacted Ray and got some help as I cannot always express myself.
--- Quote ---It is amazing how that beast in us can make us flare up and start reasoning with our own understanding. We need to realize that it is Christ in us that will bring us to salvation. He works from the inside/out.
We should take heed lest we fall because no one is assured of being chosen unless we are faithful to the end.
We cannot judge someone in another forum until we get close enough to them to see their fruits.
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There is a giant difference in judging a person and judging what a person may say or do. Ray judges what other people say and do all day long. It is part of the "exposing those who contradict." We expose those who contradict BECAUSE of their contradictions. We do not judge their personality or character or lack thereof.
--- Quote ---It is all of God and not of us. We cannot love someone else better than our families of ourselves, but Christ in us can and does.
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Certainly "all is of God," but Christ in us does not cause us to love terrorists "better" than Christ in us causes us to loves our own famility. That's absurd. Even Jesus showed greater affection toward John than any of the other Apostles. We are not commanded to love our enemies (Matt. 5:44) with the same love that we are commanded to love our Lord (I Cor. 16:22).
--- Quote ---How can God love the Christ in me more than he loves the Christ in my next door neighbor? It is the same Christ.
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That is a nonsensical rhetorical question. Where do we hear of such phrases as "God loves the Christ in us?" Does that mean God ONLY loves the Christ in us, but not us? Does that mean that we are EQUAL in righteousness and character and love to the "Christ in us?" The Corinthian Church came behind in no spiritual gift, and yet Paul says they were "yet carnal," and the "carnal mind is emnity against God" (Rom. 8:7).
Dennis (with a lot of help from Ray)
Dennis Vogel:
--- Quote from: hebrewroots98 on January 31, 2007, 07:15:56 PM ---THE GREEK DEFINITIONS OF 'LOVE':
1. AGAPE'-(UNCONDITIONAL LOVE) (AS IN: YESHUA HAS LOVED EVERY HUMAN BEING THAT GOD EVER CREATED, ENOUGH TO DIE FOR EACH ONE OF THEM, WITH NO STRINGS ATTATCHED)
2-PHILEO-(FRIENDSHIP LOVE)- (THE LOVE THAT FRIENDS SHARE)
3-STORGE'-(FAMILY/RELATIVES TYPE OF LOVE)- (MY LOVE FOR MY IMMEDIATE AND EXTENDED FAMILY RELATIVES)
4-EROS- (SEXUAL LOVE)- (HUSBAND AND WIFE'S PHYSICAL RELATIONSHIP/SEXUAL)
I PRAY THAT THIS SHEDS SOME LIGHT TO THIS THREAD. :)
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I'm pretty sure #1 and #2 should swap definitions. But I could be wrong.
Dennis
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