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What Sin Is To a Believer (Who Has Christ's Spirit in Him or Her.)
iris:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on February 09, 2007, 08:06:18 PM ---From Lake of Fire Part 15 A
LOVE NOT THE WORLD—THREE CATEGORIES OF SIN
"Love NOT the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father IS NOT IN HIM. For [for means ‘because’] ALL that is in the world,
the lust of the FLESH,
the lust of the EYES,
and the pride of LIFE,
is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God abides for ever" (I John 2:15-17).
Notice that "…ALL that is in the world…"—all the sins of the world, have their origin in one of these three categories of sin that proceeds "out of THE HEART." Not out of the "will" or out of the "mind," but "out of THE HEART." The "will" and the "mind" are subject to the "heart," and not the other way around. The heart is not subject to the will, neither is the heart subject to the mind, but rather both of these are subject to the birthplace of all human functions—the HEART!
Simply and unarguably, Jesus states as a fact, that all evil thoughts and sins proceed OUT OF THE HEART.
Now, with all that said, let’s prove once and for all that Mother Eve and Adam were (1) NOT spiritually perfect in any way shape or form, BEFORE they actually ate of the forbidden fruit, and (2) neither did they sin and then partake of the forbidden fruit through the operation of something called "free will."
"And when the woman saw that the tree was GOOD FOR FOOD… Gen. 3:6:
"…lust of the FLESH…" (I John 2:15)
and that it was PLEASANT TO THE EYES… Gen. 3:6:
"…lust of the EYES…" (I John 2:15)
and a tree to be DESIRED TO MAKE ONE WISE Gen. 3:6:
"…the PRIDE OF LIFE" (I John 2;15)
Eve committed EVERY CATEGORY OF SIN THERE IS IN THE WORLD, before… BEFORE she actually ate of the forbidden fruit.
ALL of Eve’s evil thoughts of pride, vanity, lust, greed, disobedience, and finally thievery proceeded NOT from Eve’s supposed "free will," but rather from out of her HEART. And the only reason these sins could come out of her heart is because THEY WERE ALREADY IN THERE FROM THE BEGINNING. BEFORE Eve actually ate of the forbidden fruit, she committed every category of sin in the world. And need I remind us that we were also, ALL IN ADAM, before he ate of the tree (I Cor. 15:22). Will we deny our own eyes and the Scriptures we have just read?
This was my reference point.
Also we do not come to Christ through our own choice. He came to us while yet we were sinners. Now some of us are, as Kat's references show....some of us are still in the world but not of it anymore.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
--- End quote ---
John 6:44 no man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Iris
DWIGHT:
"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
How many times has Ray said, "we are sinning machines?" We don't even have to try, we just do it because it is our nature to sin. Arcturus is right, all that embodies sin is in those three things; lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh and the pride of life. However, now that we are in the Spirit we are no longer slaves to sin as Kat has said, but that surely doesn't mean that we don't sin. Look what John just said, "IF we walk in the light......." That's the big word..IF, but if we don't, we sin.
When the diciples asked Jesus how to pray, He said,"......and forgives us are sins...." knowing that we would still sin. We are not perfect yet even so God wants us to be perfect, holy and without spot or blemish. But true salvation and being born again won't happen until we enter the Kingdom. We are still running the race, we are still fighting the good fight, we are still pressing toward the mark, we are still being transformed by the renewing of minds, we are still presenting our bodies a living sacrifice holy acceptable unto God, we are still being tried in the fire and much more. God is not done with us yet; not till he crushes us all to powder!
Sin is sin, and maybe sometimes it does not seem like sin to us or others but it is still sin. That's why we must confess our sins daily even though we think that we have not sinned....remember we are sinning machines.....don't be deceived.
Just my thoughts.
In Him,
Dwight
Deborah-Leigh:
No Dwight
.....not just your thoughts.....HIS thoughts through HIS renewal of your mind....His words through the light of His spirit in you!
I like what Ray sometimes says in his e-mails and I think we can,.... especially me....can learn to do also...Ray often asks for two scriptures to show what he is teaching is not correct. Example....give me two scriptures that say sin is not sin....and I will change my stance!.... :D and yes, until we are born again, we are all sinning machines!....until we are born again and for now we are only beggoten.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Iris
John 6:44 no man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
That really fits in with how I am seeing this topic too. There is no free will!....nothing we can do....we can not will ourselves into grace or self righteousness.
Peace to you
Arcturus
Redbird:
Proverbs 21; 1-2 The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts.
Proverbs 4; 23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
These are the verses that come to mind when I read this - thought I would share these with you all!
Peace in Christ,
Lisa
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