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What Sin Is To a Believer (Who Has Christ's Spirit in Him or Her.)
Deborah-Leigh:
What IS sin?
1 JOHN 3 : 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law; for sin is the transgression of the law.
I am not sinless....yet.... I am subject still to failure, weakness and liability to temptation and therefore dependent on Christ.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
YellowStone:
Great discussion people :)
I have read many truths in this thread. Yes, sin is a sin is a sin, because we ARE sinning machines.
However, we all live according to Gods will; if one see's an action as sinful and one doesn't, then it is by the perspective that God alone has given them, lest any should boast.
So my good friends, let us not focus on the negative of sin, but rather on love which is in the greatest two commandments. :)
Praise be to God and be gracious to him for everything.
Love,
Darren
Kat:
There is a difference for those still in the flesh and those with Christ in them.
With Christ living in you, you are no longer a sinning machine, because you are set free from sin.
I am not saying you do not sin any more,
but I do not believe it is a constant struggle against it anymore either.
It is used by God as a teaching tool only to perfect those in Christ.
The world is still having 'an evil experience,' but not those in Christ.
Paul speaks a great deal about sin starting in Rom. 5 - 8.
Rom 8:1-2 There is, then, now no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit; for the law of the Spirit of the life in Christ Jesus did set me free from the law of the sin and of the death; (YLT-Young‘s Literal Trans.)
3-4 What the Law could not do, because human nature was weak, God did. He condemned sin in human nature by sending His own Son, who came with a nature like our sinful nature, to do away with sin. God did this so that the righteous demands of the Law might be fully satisfied in us who live according to the Spirit, and not according to human nature. (GNB)
3-4 [repeat in different trans.] For what the law was not able to do because it was feeble through the flesh, God, sending his Son in the image of the evil flesh, and as an offering for sin, gave His decision against sin in the flesh: So that what was ordered by the law might be done in us, who are living, not in the way of the flesh, but in the way of the Spirit. (BBE-Bible in Basic English)
5-9 People who are ruled by their desires think only of themselves. Everyone who is ruled by the Holy Spirit thinks about spiritual things. If our minds are ruled by our desires, we will die. But if our minds are ruled by the Spirit, we will have life and peace. Our desires fight against God, because they do not and cannot obey God's laws. If we follow our desires, we cannot please God. You are no longer ruled by your desires, but by God's Spirit, who lives in you. People who don't have the Spirit of Christ in them don't belong to Him. (CEV)
10-11 But if Christ is in you, though your body must die because of sin, yet your spirit has Life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of Him who raised up Jesus from the dead is dwelling in you, He who raised up Christ from the dead will give Life also to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit who dwells in you. (WNT)
12-14 So, then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh; for if according to the flesh ye do live, ye are about to die; and if, by the Spirit, the deeds of the body ye put to death, ye shall live;; for as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are the sons of God; (YLT)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
Deborah-Leigh:
I believe that what Ray meant by we are "sinning machines" is that no one is yet sinless.
We may be set free from sin but we are still in flesh bodies being consecrated and sacrificed to God. We know that this condition is not yet finalised because The Resurrection has not yet come. In the meantime we are in formation transformation.
Romans 12 1 I I appeal to you therefore, brethren, and beg of you in view of all the mercies of God, to make a decisive dedication of your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and well pleasing to God, which is your reasonable service and spiritual worship.
As I see this, this service and worship is not a once off in this life time but is ongoing into the next as Paul begs of us and shows us how we are to proceed.
I believe to stop at the assumption that now we are free is to invite illusion and discharge of watchfulness. This can lean over into the heresy of once saved always saved assumptions and spiritual tiredness. In caution against this ever happening I believe we are not free yet in the fullest terms. the time to relasx is not come yet.
We are free in Christ's fullness of life and this experience is our joy while yet in trials in this life. HIS life is free and we can and should believe it and can and should believe HIM who completes us and in His coming to perform just that, we have our hope.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Kat:
Hi Arcturus,
--- Quote ---I believe to stop at the assumption that now we are free is to invite illusion and discharge of watchfulness. This can lean over into the heresy of once saved always saved assumptions and spiritual tiredness. In caution against this ever happening I believe we are not free yet in the fullest terms. the time to relasx is not come yet.
--- End quote ---
I understand your caution, and in no way am implying we should not be watchful or can sit back and relax, because we think we are secure.
If Christ is in us, this would not be our additude anyway ;)
But for those with Christ's Spirit were are not struggling with sin, as those in the flesh do.
This email of Ray's seems to make this point.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2159.0.html ---------------------
Hi Ray,
Thank you for helping me to understand so many things through your teaching. I'll keep it short. I am still carnal, sin still has dominion over me, rather than the other way around. I long for things to be different but that's the way it is in my life. Seeing as I believed 'another gospel' for most of my life, I can't really say I was filled with God's Spirit. My question is this: was Peter only converted once he was filled with the Holy Spirit? Is that when a person is no longer dominated by sin?
Thank you kindly for you time,
Amy
Dear Amy:
I think that all professing Christians who are sincere make some progress in their lives in stopping certain sins. But having your mind converted so that you no longer desire sin at all, is a diferent matter. It cannot be accomplished except by God's Spirit. Many are CALLED and put certain things into practice and stop certain old habbits, but FEW ARE CHOSEN which completely turn their lives over to God so that sin no longer reigns over them. This is not something I can tell you or teach you how to do. It will be done when it's God's time to do it.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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