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longhorn:
Great post Joe.   

Longhorn.

rrammfcitktturjsp:
Joe,

  When I look back on all the injustices of history, excluding the crucifixion for now, I see many bad things and many atrocities.  When I look back over my own life and see decisions that I have made that have had bad consequences, I shudder.  I guess that I feel badly, that I would have such a detrimental effect on others and people in my life as well as on others that I do not know.  I wonder how anything good come out of this.  Without looking at the crucifixion, I would really get sad.  But then looking at it, I see people who were obeying orders and those that were actively involved, and I see beauty in it.  Becuase I know how the rest of the story goes so to speak.

  Perhaps that is the way with the rest of the world and all the atrocities that are going on.  When I see those in light of the Crucifixion, I can rejoice and truly give thanks.

  As to who is more accountable, I am not sure if there is a right answer. 

  "I found the crucifixion another incredible scriptural microcosm of all the churches and the world through all the ages encompassed in this ultimate act of love by our Lord and Saviour."
  This was a beautiful statement.

  I am so glad that the Scripture is many layers thick, becuase I love knowing that I can read the same passage over and over and always learn something new.  I love my walk with God.

  Thanks so much for you reply, this certainly is meat to chew on.  I am so happy that I have now branched into some of the deeper conversations.

  Sincerely,



  Anne C. McGuire
 

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Joe

This stands out for me where you say :

......the apostles abandoned Him because they still had a timid and immature spirit, afraid yet for their own lives. Of course those chosen by the Lord were given His Spirit at Pentecost and they became fearless in obeying and living His Word, spreading the gospel as they were commanded without regard to their earthly lives or comforts.....


….this is a very important point. In fact one that is challenging me in multiple ways. Only God knows our break points. Who among us can say we are like Job….faithful to the point of death and destruction of our earthly realm? Job's life was taken and returned to him physically in earthly abundance greater than the one he knew and lost. Saul’s life was also taken or terminated as he knew it before his road experience to Damascus and Saul was given a new life  as Paul Spiritually. Jesus laid down His life and took it up again powerfully. Who among us has the power to lay down their life and take it up again? Only Christ who is the God of the OT and our Saviour in the NT.  We can not trust ourselves. All power and authority is His. We can trust Him with our lives.

Your post made some very good points and shared new insights  for me, especially your comment : Weren't the soldiers only following orders to put to death some guy who the authorities claimed was trying usurp the power of Rome? They were the unbelievers, the uncalled, .....

Peace to you

Arcturus  :)

YellowStone:
Arcturus wrote:

….this is a very important point. In fact one that is challenging me in multiple ways. Only God knows our break points. Who among us can say we are like Job….faithful to the point of death and destruction of our earthly realm? Job's
This a very good question Arcturus, for who can truly know just how far they would go when death is staring one in the face.

Last night on Extreme House Make-Over, there was a guy who had went down to help save to policemen during 911. This guy, knew that he might not come out alive, but he stayed with these two trapped men until they were rescued. He said, knowing that he a lovely wife and young family that he could not walk away, and he stayed, comforting them and offering words of encouragement until help arrived.

That God was watching over this man and the two others is undeniable; however, I do not know if he was a believer in God or not. Even so, this man put his life on the line in a very impressive way and I would like to think, given the chance, that I would do the same. But as you say Arcturus, only God knows. :)

Great post!

Love,
Darren

Deborah-Leigh:
Over twenty years ago during a time when there were no laws against owning whatever number of fire arms you desired,  two men on the streets of Johannesburg South Africa, went into a major disagreement. The one pulled out his gun and pointed it point blank at the other. My husband saw this outburst and so he stepped in to stand infront of the unarmed man. Both men were complete strangers to him and he got shot through the chest.

He died because the doctor could not get to him in time to save him from drowning in his own blood that filled up his lungs. I was furious! How dare he!.....for a stranger!.....The strangers never came to give their appologies for their behaviour that cost the life of my husband.  That does not matter. What matters is Now I know God caused my husband to step in front of a gun at point blank range. His mind may also have been in point blank range when he did it too!    ;D  I was furious and God was there! ..... I am in peace now remarried and happy like Job. .... ;D....Getting into Bible Truths has been like a road to Damascus. I was booted out of Christandoms Mystery Babylon and I feel like I too have a new name. I was that and now I am this!...freer and getting better all the time....and still being dragged into the recogniton and the experience that I can and it is proper always and everywhere to trust Jesus Christ with my life!.....Am I there yet....of course not! and I thank God that HE is still dragging me!

peace to you

Arcturus  :)

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