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Crucifying Christ
rrammfcitktturjsp:
Joe,
I had never looked at that verse as it being Us, I had always heard it appilied to Israel. I wonder how many other verses apply to us, that they thought would apply to Israel. That is rather interesting.
I am wondering why mainstream denominalationism<sic> needs to have Israel converted. What are your ideas on this. I also woner why MD needs not to focus on that we all crucified Jesus. I have not heard that often preached about when I was attending mainstream churches.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
hillsbororiver:
Good morning Anne,
It was about a year ago after rereading one of Ray's articles in regard to the OT Prophets that it became quite clear that the trials and tribulations of the "men of old" was the physical journey of them and the spiritual journey of His called and chosen.
Jas 5:10 Take my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.
As for the MD's don't they pretty much see everything through physical/carnal eyes? The Lord has still seen fit to hide the spiritual meanings from them.
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
rrammfcitktturjsp:
Joe,
It is quite a lovely thing and a great blessing to be called out of the MD's. Thanks for posting so quickly. I am blessed to begin to being able to discern the spiritual vs. the physical.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Anne
You wrote : I am blessed to begin to being able to discern the spiritual vs. the physical.
That comment blesses me because for me this shows recognition and appreciation for the Spirit of Christ present in the Forum! Thank you....He is with us!....our Shepherd King!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 10, 2007, 12:52:56 PM ---
we all drove the nails as well, yet our Savior held his arms out to be nailed.
--- End quote ---
Hello Anne,
Who do you believe is more accountable for the crucifixion, the unbelieving Roman soldiers or the religious leaders and the crowd of onlookers which included many former followers of Jesus?
Weren't the soldiers only following orders to put to death some guy who the authorities claimed was trying usurp the power of Rome? They were the unbelievers, the uncalled, most of the crowd (the called) knew of Jesus and His miracles, His message of love for your brethren and love of God for His people. The leaders hated Jesus because they were fearful of their own power and authority (not to mention riches) being diminished by this radical Man, the people hated Jesus because His (spiritual) Kingdom is (was, will be) not of this world, not of this earthly realm of worldly power and material things.
Even the apostles, those chosen by the Lord turned their back on Him in the darkest hour, not like Judas who was also seeking an earthly messiah but the rest of the apostles abandoned Him because they still had a timid and immature spirit, afraid yet for their own lives. Of course those chosen by the Lord were given His Spirit at Pentecost and they became fearless in obeying and living His Word, spreading the gospel as they were commanded without regard to their earthly lives or comforts.
Aren't many in the denominations (especially the leadership) living this out presently, they are making noises about Jesus but reject His spiritual Kingdom for an earthly one, the prayers for gain or victory over their enemies, the prosperity gospel, the building projects, etc. are given a higher priority than His Spirit within us.
I found the crucifixion another incredible scriptural microcosm of all the churches and the world through all the ages encompassed in this ultimate act of love by our Lord and Saviour.
How deep is the Mind of God and how many layers of Truth is His Word, what an amazing journey He has us on as we seek the treasure of His Kingdom.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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