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rk12201960:
Hi all,
I was wondering can anyone inlighten me on dreams, or have some scriptures to share with me. I'm still confused by BTG on this matter.

Thanks
Your brother in Christ
Randy

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Randy

Acts 2 : 17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prpphesy, telling forth the divine counsels and your young men shall dream divinely suggested dreams. 18. Yes, and on My men servants also and on My maidservants in those days I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy telling forth the divine counsels and predicting future events pertaining especially to God’s kingdom. (Amplified Translation)

Acts 2 : 17 “In the Last Days”,  God says,
“I will pour out my Spirit
  on every kind of people;
Your sons will prophesy,
  Also your daughters;
Your young men will see visions,
   Your old men dream dreams.
When the time comes,
  I’ll pour out my Spirit
On those who serve me, men and women both,
  And they’ll prophesy.” (The Message Translation)

1 Cor 14 : 1-3 Eagerly pursue and seek to acquire this love, make it your aim, your great quest; and earnestly desire and cultivate the spiritual endowments, gifts, ESPECIALLY that you may PROPHESY, interpret the divine WILL and PURPOSE in inspired preaching and teaching. 23…the one who prophesies, who INTERPRETS THE DIVINE WILL AND PURPOSE in inspired preaching and teaching, speaks to men for their up building and constructive spiritual progress and encouragement and consolation.

The teachings on The Myth of Free will and ALL of the teachings here at BT from Ray, do the work of interpreting the Divine Will and Purpose and is proclaimed in “everyday speech…letting others in on the truth so that they can grow and be strong and experience His presence….”The Message Translation

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

YellowStone:
Randy Asked:

I was wondering can anyone inlighten me on dreams, or have some scriptures to share with me. I'm still confused by BTG on this matter.

Not sure who or what BTG is, so I cannot comment on their interpretation or reasoning:)

However, it is interesting that the word "dream" only appears in the Greek (NT) Scriptures seven (7) times; six (6) of those being in Matthew. (below)

Mat 1:20
* But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
Mat 2:12
* And being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod, they departed into their own country another way.
Mat 2:13
* And when they were departed, behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou there until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy him.
Mat 2:19
* But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
Mat 2:22
* But when he heard that Archelaus did reign in Judaea in the room of his father Herod, he was afraid to go thither: notwithstanding, being warned of God in a dream, he turned aside into the parts of Galilee: Mat 27:19
* When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.
It is now interesting that of these six occupancies of "dream"
  3 times - The angel of the Lord appeared (A messenger)
  2 times - Being warned of God (A message)
  1 time  - Suffered many things (A glimpse of what is to come)

Definitely nothing in these dreams that needed interpreting, unlike those of the Hebrew (OT) Scriptures.

The only other time that the word "dream" was used was in Acts.

Act 2:17
* And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Old men shall dream dreams, must mean that the dreams of these old men will be very different than the everyday dreams most everyone has. Even in this verse there is no hint of interpretation being needed.

So with these Scriptures as being my only means for discernment :) I do not believe that we should give to much credence to dreams, especially if they are not clearly understood as those in the above Scriptures.

This is of course my understanding that has been given to me through the Word of God.

Comments are always welcome. :)

Love in Christ,
Darren

rk12201960:
Wow,
Thanks guys.
That is a complete answer to my question. Its a blessing how Gods word talks in
many ways but are in harmony.
the way of the answers mean just as much and the answers them-selfs.
Thanks for the blessing guys.
In Christ
your brother
Randy.  ;D ;D ;D

P.S.
Sorry . BTG = BABYLON, THE GREAT

Its what I read in Rays Lake of Fire.

Deborah-Leigh:

There are 34 Dreams of Scripture 12 of which are recorded in the NT.

Joseph of Mary Mt 1 : 20
Joseph of flight to Egypt Mt 2 : 13
Joseph of returning home Mt 2 : 19
Joseph of Herod Mt 2 : 22
The wise men of warning Mt 2 : 12
Pilate’s wife, of Jesus Mt 27 : 19
Cornelius of an angel Acts 10 : 3-6
Peter of animals Acts 10 : 10-16
Paul, of a man Acts 16 : 9
Paul of going to Rome Acts 23 : 11
Paul, of safety Acts 28 : 23-24
John of Christ Rev 1 : 12-18




From LOF part 5.....

Ref : 7 Spiritual Keys to unlock scripture : “Knowing this FIRST, that no prophecy of the scripture is of a PRIVATE interpretation. (Gk: ‘is becoming it’s OWN explanation’) (2Pet. 1:20)

“…comparing (or: ‘matching@) SPIRITUAL things with SPRITUAL” 1 Cor 2 : 13)

Ref: Lake of Fire L. Ray Smith Part 5

First from the Concordant Greek Text in an "Ultraliteral English Sublinear": "…this BEFORE-most KNOWING that EVERY BEFORE-AVERment OF-WRITing OWN ON-LOOSing NOT IS-BECOMING."
Rendered in the Translation as: "…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture at all is becoming its OWN explanation."—Concordant Literal New Testament
Next from the Emphatic Diaglott English Interlineary: "…this first knowing, that all prophecy of a writing, of its OWN loosing not it is."
Rendered in the Translation as: "This first ascertaining, That All Prophecy of Scripture is not of its OWN Solution"—The Emphatic Diaglot, A New Emphatic Version.
I go to all these extra efforts of showing you the Greek so that you can be convinced yourself and not just believe that this is "my interpretation" of how a verse can or cannot be "interpreted."
3. "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED" (I Cor. 2:14).


THE KEYS TO SPIRITUAL INTERPRETATION

We will consider four guiding Scriptures:
1. "Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation" (II Pet. 1:20).
The KJV is not the best translation of this verse—it is neither by far the worst. The word "private" tends to fog the understanding of this Scripture. If no Scripture is to be of a "private" interpretation, are we to look for a "PUBLIC" interpretation? That sounds silly.
This is a profoundly important verse when it comes to interpreting Scripture. Yet, I doubt that there are many who understand this verse.
The Greek word translated "private" in the KJV is the word idios, and although it can mean private or separate, more specifically it has reference to "one’s OWN" or "his OWN" or "their OWN" or "your OWN" or "OWN." In this case, it would mean "ITS own" as a prophecy is non-personal and inanimate. See Strong’s Greek Dictionary p. 119. Now notice a couple of translations that retain this definition:
First from the Concordant Greek Text in an "Ultraliteral English Sublinear": "…this BEFORE-most KNOWING that EVERY BEFORE-AVERment OF-WRITing OWN ON-LOOSing NOT IS-BECOMING."
Rendered in the Translation as: "…knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture at all is becoming its OWN explanation."—Concordant Literal New Testament
Next from the Emphatic Diaglott English Interlineary: "…this first knowing, that all prophecy of a writing, of its OWN loosing not it is."
Rendered in the Translation as: "This first ascertaining, That All Prophecy of Scripture is not of its OWN Solution"—The Emphatic Diaglot, A New Emphatic Version.
I go to all these extra efforts of showing you the Greek so that you can be convinced yourself and not just believe that this is "my interpretation" of how a verse can or cannot be "interpreted."
So now we can make sense out of this verse, and how profound it is. It destroys the carnal minded approach to Scriptural interpretation. So here is what God is teaching us. No prophetic statement (Revelation is prophecy—See Rev. 22:18, "…the words of the prophecy of this scroll") has within its OWN statement the explanation and fulfillment of that statement. Therefore it is wrong and unscriptural to insist that the very verse that contains the prophecy (such as "the lake of fire. This is the second death") has within itself the interpretation of itself. That’s what God has now taught us in II Pet. 1:20! Therefore, we must go elsewhere to find the correct interpretation. But how do we do that without making blunders and mistakes? We have three more Key verses that will keep us on the right track.
2. "It is the spirit that quickens [makes alive]; the flesh profits nothing: the words that I speak unto you, THEY ARE SPIRIT and they are life."
We touched on this verse already, but it is an important part of our four-verse key. Again I ask: Who believes this verse? If the words that Jesus spoke are "spirit," then how can anyone suggest that everything He said must be taken "literally?" Christ taught in public by parables only. Parables are spiritual, not literal. The book of Revelation is the "Revelation of Jesus Christ," therefore the words of the book of Revelation are SPIRIT! The book of Revelation was "signified" (that is SYMBOLIZED). It is a whole book of symbols, metaphors, and figurative language. Therefore the metaphor: "the lake of fire which is the second death" must be spiritual! But how do we discern things that are "spiritual?"
We need another key.
3. "But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are SPIRITUALLY DISCERNED" (I Cor. 2:14).
And so when I explain spiritual things, I get a lot of e-mail from Christians who condemn me in not too flattering tones, because they are carnal and cannot possibly receive spiritual things. They truly are FOOLISHNESS to them. They ask me if I can’t read. They tell me the verse ITSELF tells us what it means. (But isn’t that just what Peter said cannot be done? That no verse of prophecy explains ITSELF)?
There are reasons God put these verses in the Scriptures.
Remember earlier when we discussed how theologians compare physical things with physical things thinking that they will accomplish something spiritual? Show me a Scripture where God instructs us to compare physical things with physical things for spiritual understanding? SHOW ME! David said "A good understanding have all they that KEEP God’s commandments." The problem with all too many is that they don’t obey God ("Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed CAN BE" Rom. 8:7), and they don’t believe God. We MUST believe God when we are told that the book of Revelation is the words of Jesus Christ and therefore is SPIRIT! Next I will give you one of God’s commandments we are to follow if we are to ever understand such things as "the lake of fire."

The Scriptures don’t command us to compare physical things with spiritual things or spiritual things with physical things or physical things with physical things, so why do we do it?

That is exactly how theologians have come to believe that the lake of fire and second death are literal physical tortures for all eternity. They have compared physical fire with physical fire and came up with the conclusion that the lake of fire is physical, material, literal FIRE! God never instructed us to learn spiritual lessons in this manner!
Next we will see how God does instruct us to understand SPIRITUAL MATTERS.

4. "Which things also we speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teacheth [not by comparing physical things with physical things], but which the HOLY SPIRIT TEACHES; COMPARING [OR MATCHING] SPIRITUAL THINGS WITH SPIRITUAL" (I Cor. 2:13)!
This is really quite profound. "

 
Peace be to you

Arcturus :)

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