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do demons manifest physically in people today?
gmik:
Beverley & Paula:
I agree w/ you both!! :D
hebrewroots98:
Dear Paula,
I understand how P& W music has helped you in some life and death situations, and how that God came to you through music, b/c I too have experienced the same, as I'm sure that most everyone here has done occassionally. I have been ministered to via music; but only rarely. I am glad that it works for you more often than it did for me and a few others here on the forum.
All that I was trying to say when I spoke of the different god and different jesus was that back when I was in the institutional churches, I saw the 'IDOLS OF PEOPLES' HEARTS' for the majority of times when singing and playing musical instruments would be going on. (I saw and heard the following things that would distract me from worlshipping HIM the way I needed to and that made me unhappy.) I've seen the majority of believers whom would play or sing their music and instead of giving their hearts to God they gave their praise and worship to the idols of their heart (look how great I am; look at me God, I am singing/playing for you...instead of being humble about it in their hearts; or they are trying to impress each other on how great they are; or they are doing it for money/sales of cd's/for being a traveling dance team for love offerings, or going on tour, etc...) Yes, there are some songs that are sincere, like THE OLD RUGGED CROSS AND HOW GREAT THOU ART...but, I have still seen, heard and felt that even these older songs were bieng used at times for the self gloryification and I could see right through it. There is only one group that I can listen to today that I can feel even remotely close to God while listening to it...and this musician has made millions of dollars on cd sales and by going all around the world in concerts and singing the same songs and lyrics but in different languages. I guess that what I got back then while in the church served it's purpose but, if you think about the SPIRITUAL side of praising and woshipping God...HE wants THE INTENT OF THE HEART TO BE MUSIC TO HIS EARS, AND NOT SO MUCH OUR PHYSICAL WORDS BEING SUNG OUTLOUD (weather that is singing, thinking, or reading, talking, playing an instrument, or praying...etc.) The question to me is are we doing it FOR AND TO BLESS HIM or are we are doing it to get something FROM HIM; that makes the difference to me. This is a hard issue, I know.
Much love in HIM,
DWIGHT:
It really is a matter of our heart. If our heart is pure, then our mouth is pure to sing His praises. To the pure all things are pure. It's amazing that out of the same tongue proceed both blessing and cursing. "Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.....But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be." James 3:5,6,8-10
Paula and Susan, I know what you both mean, and I feel that we are all of one mind and one spirit. We all just see things differentley now than we ever did before. God bless.
Your brother,
Dwight
YellowStone:
Hi Susan my sweet sister in Christ :)
I feel compelled to share something regarding a comment you made:
Great point Beverly; so true that it is a dif god and a dif jesus that the denominations are singing to isn't it? I too have not felt comfortable in singing along with those prompted songs either!
Please read this with a open heart and open mind for I do not wish to offend you or anyone. :)
But it would seem to me that you are rejecting words of praise, not because of what they are, or what they convey, but because who wrote and sang them. ???
Would you feel such discomfort if Ray or any other in this forum penned those words? It matters not where or by whom the songs of praise were first formed; for who can honestly say that that they have said a sentence or thought a thought that has not worded before? :)
May I ask you why you feel discomfort when you hear such songs today? It seems to me, that you were where God wanted you, doing what God willed; God seen fit to open your eyes, he did not turn his back on you, for singing songs to a God and Jesus, he had you believe.
The words of Praise did not change, what changed is your focal point, for now you see God for who he is. I believe with al my heart, that those songs should NOT now leave one in discomfort, but rather their words and melody should be silver lined, for now each word and every note is directed to its rightful owner. God himself.
Please do not ever think that God takes comfort knowing that anyone that he has brought into the light, should feel distaste hearing songs of praise. :)
God reads hearts, and as you asked: Should one listen to songs of praise and perhaps sing along out of Love and Praise for him, or not, to justify ones own stance? :)
I know that sounds harsh, but words of praise from the heart are words of praise whether they are spoken, sung, heard or felt.
I love you my sister, and I truly hope that you can someday soon listen to such songs and be ever so grateful to God for allowing you to KNOW to whom the words and the intent is directed. :)
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
hebrewroots98:
Guys, I will think this over and get back with you this weekend when I have more time. Thank you for your love and support; I do not take offense when I am challenged to rethink an issue, as I do not claim to know it all. Love to all of you :D. Talk with you later.
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