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do demons manifest physically in people today?
rrammfcitktturjsp:
Darren,
Thanks for posting your post dear brother. I am a musician to the core. I was a litle disturbed at seeing some of the conversation in here and steered to avoid it, becuase I did not know if anyone felt as I do.
There is nothing wrong with any music. Whether written in Babylon or outside of it. Now what I am not saying there are not wrong musics out there, clearly I know that there are anti-God songs and such. But I am talking about the more pure music.
I love praise music and I compose quite a bit of it. As long as every note glorifies God and word points to him, then all is good. In fact he loved praise music, why do you think he even created music, if something was wrong.
Now in considering the other side, there are others out there that make shows of it, but that's okay, becuase they are getting the message out there about God. There's a Scripture that says Paul is addressing someone or a church I can't remember and he is talking about other preachers. He says it is good, even though their motives are wrong or something like that, becuase it gets the Good News out. Same principle with music.
Now as a musician and one who loves and lives music in such a way that it is a sweet offering to God, I was a little offended by what was written here.
Darren thanks for sticking your neck out, becuase I could not do it. Sometimes I just need to learn to bite the bullet and post.
<is currently listening to praise music by the way> <grins>
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
Deborah-Leigh:
Dear Ray,
I know you have said many times that you don't attend a church. I go back and forth within myself becuase I am so hungry for teaching and communing, if you will, with "believers" however, when I do go to a church, I usually leave feeling frustrated, comdemned, crazy or angry. Whenever I am in a church and people around me are speaking in tongues...and encouraging me to lift my hands and "praise Him"... or instructing me to "worship" because "God inhabits the praises of his people." I cannot explain it but I get so angry! Is that even in the bible? What does it mean to "worship God?" That may be a stupid question, but when I'm in a church and I look around but don't feel compelled to babble in tongues or wave my hands...I want to run for the door. And I'm advised by well-meaning Christians that I need to "let go and let God in." I'm told I'm supposed to praise God even when I don't feel like it, because I shouldn't be led by my emot ions. In your wisdom and revelatory opinion...just how does one worship God? (I feel silly asking that.) Thanks so much.... Marie
Dear Marie:
OBEDIENCE! There is no greater worship to God than to be obedient to Him. Jesus said, "Why call ye Me, Lord, Lord, and DO NOT THE THINGS WHICH I SAY" (Luke 6:46).
You would not feel uncomfortable in our meetings, I guarantee you. We are to worship; God in spirit and in truth. God's WORD is truth. And it is through HIS Spirit that we obey His truths. And that is true worship. It is fine to pray and sing and such things, but let's face it, people love to do those things because it makes THEM feel good, and they can only hope that maybe it makes God feel good too. But where there is not true obedience, any other form of worship is in vain.
God be with you,
Ray
skydreamers:
Personally I love music! It has saved me many times from my melancholy or at least got me through it. Over time I have found that I am choosing mostly Christian music over secular music. There are some really talented people out there!
Ray is right though, I listen because it makes me feel good, or it helps to express bottled up emotions. I've never been one to shout and sing and wave my hands, etc. in church, but at home alone when it's just me and the Lord, I do like to think that's He's singing and dancing with me. It's true, I can't be certain if He approves, but I "feel" like He does.
I do know that musical talent must come from the Lord just as the ability to paint a beautiful picture comes from Him too....He paints the skies, the rainbows, the flowers...he put music in nature everywhere...does anyone deny that birds are constantly singing??? Of course there is chaotic music out there (even in the Christian genre) but there is much that is soothing to the soul (at least for me). If it's an idol of the heart than I guess I'm just not ready to give that one up yet!
My children love music too and they have their favorite Jesus songs, as they call them. My son can't sing in tune or on beat for the life of him, but he belts it out nonetheless and it is so cute. And I'd rather him sing about God than some other scary stuff out there.
Personally, I don't care what the artist's motivation is or where they are coming from, if the music and the lyrics speak to me and minister to my soul, then I consider it a blessing...
Peace,
Diana
skydreamers:
Angels & Demons
« on: Yesterday at 06:32:23 PM »
> Hi Ray,
> I have read that angels and demons are messengers. Do you believe
> this means that they cause our thoughts? So if i have a good thought,
> that might be from an angel, and if i have a bad thought, that might
> be from a demon? Thanks.
>
> Sean
Dear Sean:
No.
Ray
Ray just CRACKS ME UP! This is hysterical.... ;D
Anyways, I wanted to address the original question of this thread: Do demons manifest physically in people today?
Before I became a Christian, I worked for several years as a counselor and caregiver to people suffering from eating disorders. Most of our cases were really severe. Anyways, we use to have to stay with them during the night and watch that they didn't hurt themselves. Most of them didn't sleep at night and would need someone to talk to. Like I said, I wasn't a Christian and I didn't really know anything about demons etc. but a few years ago I was studying this subject out and I realized I had probably experienced some "possessed" people during my work at the clinic.
At the time I didn't know what to make of some of the things I saw, but they freaked me out! There were patients that would go into trance like states and the physical features of their faces would change and their eyes would get pure black. It was the scariest thing I had ever seen. They didn't rotate their heads, puke, or scream obscenities but the silent, cold hard stares from an otherwise sweet girl was enough to make your blood stop pumping. When I talked to other counselors about this they chalked it up to the mental illness...but how does mental illness make a girl's face change so much it was unrecognizable?? It was bizarre, let me tell you. These girls and boys hear voices in their heads that say horrible things to them constantly. And most of them are terribly young. It's devastating.
Now, I'm not saying that anybody who has an eating disorder is possessed by demons....I really don't know what to think. I'm only relating what my experience was. Did Ray say somewhere that he thought all illness were caused by Satan and his army??
Peace,
Diana
Kat:
Hi Diana,
This may be the email you are referring to.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2862.0.html -----------------
Who makes people sick God or satan? Preachers say God is all powerful but then give satan all the credit when something bad happens.
Dear Reader:
I can give you the simple answer, but few there be who [1] believe it or [2] understand it.
"ALL is of God," but God never lies, never temps people, and never causes people to sin.
Men lie, and men are tempted by their own lusts, and men sin VOLUNTARYILY from their heart.
Yes, Satan causes disease, Luke 13:16, but only becuase it is in God's plan and purpose that there
be disease in the first place.
God be with you,
Ray
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Luk 13:16 And ought not this woman, a daughter of Abraham whom Satan bound for eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the Sabbath day?"
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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