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TimothyVI:
--- Quote from: Pax Vobiscum on February 27, 2007, 03:10:20 PM ---...and I've been so good lately...
While the Scriptures surely (well, mostly) pitch the idea of One God, it was not always so.
Early believers in Yahweh were polytheistic. Yahweh was not the only God, He was the "best" God. Interestingly, early use of the term "faith in God" did not mean "belief in God" as we use it today. Faith in Yahweh meant that one relied on Yaweh as you have faith that your chair will not collapse -- I do not necessarily have a belief in my chair for I am certain of its existence.
Moses really brought Jewish monotheism into being. Most of the post-Mosaic writings increasingly referred to Yahweh in the "one and only" terms we enjoy today.
Scriptural references for this? Try the 10 Commandments! Ex 20:3 tells us not to have other gods beside YHWH. If there were no other gods, why not say, "There are no other Gods but YHWH!" The people to whom Moses delivered the 10 Commandments were polytheistic (which is why they thought it was OK to buld the idol) and Moses' job was to turn them into monotheists.
While this may not answer your question, I hope it helps you understand the question a little more deeply.
Peace
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Hi Pax,
Of course you are correct. Scriptures say that there were many Gods. I just assumed the original question
here was about our God the Father. My bad.
To distinguish between gods even in the new testament, our God was the wise God, and the true God.
Jhn 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, [be] honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
And you have been so good ;D
Tim
SandyFla:
--- Quote from: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 27, 2007, 02:49:04 PM ---Tim,
I can totally relate to you. I also pray to God the Father in the name of Jesus as well. I think that is what the Lord's prayer says, I am not sure. And didn't Jesus ask if we wanted anything or something of that sort, we were to ask it in His name and that he is mediator between us and God the Father? Please correct me if I am wrong anyone. I know I am stringing together at least four Scriptures together. If I am in error, please show me the Truth, as I am willing to discern it no matter what it does to my beliefs, becuase in the end it will free me as the Truth of Hell and Tithing.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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Anne,
Sounds to me like you've got it right. :)
Sandy
rrammfcitktturjsp:
Sandy,
Thanks for throwing that in. I have wondered about that. May God bless your day as much as he has blessed mine and as well as how much you have blessed my day as well.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
josh:
TimothyVI,
You state:
“I thought that the common belief was that all of the things that you quoted were said by Jesus.”
Jesus is the “Word of God.” He is the medium [image of the invisible God., Colossians 1:15] by which God reveals Himself to humanity.
When Jesus speaks in the Old Testament, He speaks FOR God and by the INIATIVE and through the AUTHORITY of God the Father.
John 8:2828: So Jesus said, "When you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority [initiative] but speak thus as the Father taught me.
John 5:19-20
19: Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing; for whatever he does, that the Son does likewise.
20: For the Father loves the Son, and shows him all that he himself is doing; and greater works than these will he show him, that you may marvel.
Pax,
Good to see you posting, I always enjoy your “angle” on things.
Although, while reading your last post I couldn’t help but think that it doesn’t really matter what people believed before Moses or what they believe now long after Moses… when I was young I believed in Santa… but now with some maturity (not much) I have come to understand that Santa, along with many other superstitions/traditions of our current culture are simply a myth.
From my understanding of the scriptures, I would say the same of those who had not yet received this knowledge via. the scriptures… they believed those things because they had been taught differently, not because it was truth.
I see what you are saying concerning Ex. 20:3, why would God tell the people not to have other gods, if there weren’t any other gods… but going back to the original question “Was God the only one of His kind?” Are you suggesting (I don’t think you are) that they’re maybe some other God’s who may be equal to God the Father?
Looking forward to your response.
Josh
Kat:
Here is a email from Ray.
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php?topic=3443.msg25690#msg25690 -------
Hi Ray,
1 Timothy 2:5
Why does this scripture refer only to the Father as God and not Christ
Dear Christopher:
Ah, but the Scriptures do refer to Jesus Christ as "God."
[1] "But unto the SON [Jesus] He says, Thy throne, O GOD..." (Heb. 1:08).
[2] "I am Alpha and Omega...says the Lord [Jesus[, which is, and which was, and which is to come, THE ALMIGHTY [GOD]" (Rev. 1:08).
[3] "And Thomas answered and said unto Him [Jesus], My Lord, AND MY GOD" (John 20:28).
[4] "Who [Jesus] being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL WITH GOD" (Phil. 2:6).
[5] "Why doth this Man [Jesus] thus speak blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, BUT GOD ONLY?" (Mark 2:08).
[6] "Now unto Him [Jesus] that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His [Jesus] glory with exceeding joy. To the only wise GOD OUR SAVIOUR [Jesus Christ], be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen" (Jude 24-25).
One or two of these it could be argued refers to God the Father. But there are enough statements to prove Jesus wears the title "God." Then, there is the whole matter of Jesus Himself being the "God" of the Old Testament which spoke to men, etc., seeing that the Father has never spoken to any man directly with a voice, and Jesus and the God the Old Testament did.
God be with you,
Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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