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TimothyVI:
--- Quote from: In Medias Res on February 27, 2007, 11:51:21 AM ---M.G.
According to the scriptures, God is "ONE OF A KIND."
Here are a few scriptures that are often quoted in the teachings at BT, as well as here on the forum... but they shed light on the question at hand.
Notice the repetition.
Isaiah 45:5-7, 12-18, & 21-25
5: I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I gird you, though you do not know me,
6: that men may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other.
7: I form light and create darkness, I make weal and create woe, I am the LORD, who do all these things.
12: I made the earth, and created man upon it; it was my hands that stretched out the heavens, and I commanded all their host.
13: I have aroused him in righteousness, and I will make straight all his ways; he shall build my city and set my exiles free, not for price or reward," says the LORD of hosts.
14: Thus says the LORD: "The wealth of Egypt and the merchandise of Ethiopia, and the Sabe'ans, men of stature, shall come over to you and be yours, they shall follow you; they shall come over in chains and bow down to you. They will make supplication to you, saying: `God is with you only, and there is no other, no god besides him.'"
15: Truly, thou art a God who hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Savior.
16: All of them are put to shame and confounded, the makers of idols go in confusion together.
17: But Israel is saved by the LORD with everlasting salvation; you shall not be put to shame or confounded to all eternity.
18: For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it a chaos, he formed it to be inhabited!): "I am the LORD, and there is no other".
21: Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me.
22: "Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other.
23: By myself I have sworn, from my mouth has gone forth in righteousness a word that shall not return: `To me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.'
24: "Only in the LORD, it shall be said of me, are righteousness and strength; to him shall come and be ashamed, all who were incensed against him.
25: In the LORD all the offspring of Israel shall triumph and glory."
Isaiah 46:8-11
8: "Remember this and consider, recall it to mind, you transgressors,
9: remember the former things of old; for I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me,
10: declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, `My counsel shall stand, and I will accomplish all my purpose,'
11: calling a bird of prey from the east, the man of my counsel from a far country. I have spoken, and I will bring it to pass; I have purposed, and I will do it.
Hope this helps.
Grace & Peace.
Josh
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HI,
I thought that the common belief was that all of the things that you quoted were said by Jesus.
Wasn't God all alone before creation?
Wasn't God the Father before Jesus? And then God created Jesus.
Rev 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, ( this is Jesus) the beginning of the creation of God;
And then everything else that was created came from God the Father through Jesus.
1Cr 8:6 But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him.
Tim
rrammfcitktturjsp:
Tim,
If I might venture a quesiton, is it becuase of the so called "doctrine" of the Trinity that many of us have been exposed to, that is hanging us up on the orginal question. Thanks for your questions as well as Josh for your explanations. Keep them coming.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
TimothyVI:
--- Quote from: rrammfcitktturjsp on February 27, 2007, 02:40:35 PM ---Tim,
If I might venture a quesiton, is it becuase of the so called "doctrine" of the Trinity that many of us have been exposed to, that is hanging us up on the orginal question. Thanks for your questions as well as Josh for your explanations. Keep them coming.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
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Hi Anne,
I can't speak for other people, but the entire doctrin of the trinity confuses everything about God in my mind.
You never are sure exactly to whom you are praying except that it is the trinity.
Consequently, I always pray to God the Father in the name of Jesus.
Tim
rrammfcitktturjsp:
Tim,
I can totally relate to you. I also pray to God the Father in the name of Jesus as well. I think that is what the Lord's prayer says, I am not sure. And didn't Jesus ask if we wanted anything or something of that sort, we were to ask it in His name and that he is mediator between us and God the Father? Please correct me if I am wrong anyone. I know I am stringing together at least four Scriptures together. If I am in error, please show me the Truth, as I am willing to discern it no matter what it does to my beliefs, becuase in the end it will free me as the Truth of Hell and Tithing.
Sincerely,
Anne C. McGuire
Pax Vobiscum:
...and I've been so good lately...
While the Scriptures surely (well, mostly) pitch the idea of One God, it was not always so.
Early believers in Yahweh were polytheistic. Yahweh was not the only God, He was the "best" God. Interestingly, early use of the term "faith in God" did not mean "belief in God" as we use it today. Faith in Yahweh meant that one relied on Yaweh as you have faith that your chair will not collapse -- I do not necessarily have a belief in my chair for I am certain of its existence.
Moses really brought Jewish monotheism into being. Most of the post-Mosaic writings increasingly referred to Yahweh in the "one and only" terms we enjoy today.
Scriptural references for this? Try the 10 Commandments! Ex 20:3 tells us not to have other gods beside YHWH. If there were no other gods, why not say, "There are no other Gods but YHWH!" The people to whom Moses delivered the 10 Commandments were polytheistic (which is why they thought it was OK to buld the idol) and Moses' job was to turn them into monotheists.
While this may not answer your question, I hope it helps you understand the question a little more deeply.
Peace
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