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What religios in Babylon?
Brett:
Thank you all for the share thought of "What religious in Babylon?" It is great to learn from others.
From Kat brought of Ray's article of "Lake of Fire Series" chapter 8. I have read this more than once. I want to show what Ray's comments with the scriptures that make sense to me, see below:
"Paul knew that just as he had to come out of religious Babylon, those under his evangelism would also have to one day come out of the New Testament Church of God’s Babylonian [that is Christendom] practices."
Christendom come from "Christians", not Mormon, Muslim, etc. etc. Because Christians calling "Lord, Lord, have we..." because they using name of Jesus alone and one Bible alone. Mormon do not use Jesus name alone, but more than one names, like for example, when Christ come in the last day, the Mormon would not say "Lord, Lord..." because they would confuse of where is Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc. They probably would say "Lord,....where is Joseph, Brigham, LDS presidents?" And Muslim would say, "Lord,....where is Allah?" Catholic would say, "Lord,...where is Holy Mary?" Those are called 'pagans' came from like Egypt. Not from Christendom. Ray said, "...out of the New Testament Church of God's Babylonian practices." Obvious is Christendom. When he said that the scriptures said "Called'' is the first before the "Called out". Never say first "called out" before "called".
And yes, of course that Jesus will equal all mankind to be saved. But the few chosen are for to reign with Jesus, to judge and save whole world before completeness saved all mankind (all mankind will be chosen after the judgment.
Now, the question is does God called out from 'pagans' like Catholic, Muslim, etc, etc.? Even called out from atheists.
Or
Or does God always called out from 'Christendom' the Church of God's Babylonian?
I don't see anywhere in the scriptures that say called out of pagans but "The Church" before "My people". 'The' Church (many called) is the Christendom, 'My' Church is the elects, called out of Christendom, the Babylon.
Moderators (or anyone), if you see anything that is error, would appreciate correct me. ;)
Brett :D
Sorin:
Great post Brett!
That's exactly what I was saying. Who is it that calls Jesus "Lord, Lord"? The Muslims, The Jews, Pagans, Atheists? No, it's Christians, and that's who's called out of her [The Christian church]. Therefore, Mystery Babylon is Christendom.
Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
You have to ask yourselves, who are God's people. If it's the Jesus denying Jews, Muslims and Pagans, then fine, Babylon is Judaism, islam, the World System , but if they're not [which they aren't] then Babylon is Christendom.
Also, are the Jesus Denying Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Atheists even called? No, and don't you have to first be called, before you can be chosen [called out of her]?
Yes, of course you do, for many are called but few are chosen.
Sorin.
Jackie Lee:
--- Quote from: psalmsinger on March 01, 2007, 08:31:21 AM ---Hey,
I may be out of line here, but it is my thinking that all religion, education, political, and economic systems are "Babylon". The "Whore" that sits upon the babylon system would be the christian churches that partake of her evil ways in one form or another. Every person would then need to come out of babylon and turn to Jesus Christ as the way, truth and life. The only trouble is the "whore" will ensnare the new believer first because she shouts "Lord, Lord," and deceives. As part of the "whore", you have to come out of babylon once again......... confusion reigns in the old world........
Don't be too hard on me....I am coming out of her as well:)
Barbara
--- End quote ---
This makes sense to me, God was taking me out of things before I knew it was even happening and why.
Just lately I realized it was God through Ray's teaching and this forum.
It really relieved my mind when I realized all these changes were God.
Also just about a month ago he revealed to me to stay out of political debates.
I loved debating politics but a month later and I hardly care.
I have been out of church for a few years now but was considering going to the big protestant church within walking distance from my home.
Every sunday come around and I procastinated then I really realize I was to come out of the church.
Thank God no more guilt from not going paying tithes and all those huggy lovey people that don't know you at the grocery store.
Has anyone ever had that happen love you in church and ignore you in public?
Deborah-Leigh:
Yes to your question Jackie Lee YES, and far worse!
The Pastor still owes payment to my husband for an assignment he did for him. We know that God, not the Pastor is our provider so the amount due is a right off! Oh ...the Pastor is a rich carrot farmer and supplies 60 % of all carrot consumption in South Africa....he uses all the water too while others who have no water due to his draining out the water supplies to feed his farm...He built his business on an inheritance he sued and nearly ruined his poor Father to obtain. His Father is still alive and supporting the wife and kids that the Pastor left behind. After he left his wife and began a new family with the first woman he saw in the pack house because he asked God to show him his new wife. ....His new wife could not speak English. She can now but she is not permitted to have anything to do with us anymore. Talk about circumstances God leads us through!
Well...that is not all...He believes in Hell too!...We are among those he thinks are destined for it!...It must make him feel good...look good and continue to make merchandise of so many. He employs on his farm most of the congregation....facilitated the removal of a young girl away from her family in order to encourage her marriage to his praise and worship leader!!..The girls mother was distraught.
Anyway, it will all have a happy ending! Can you imagine how he will feel when he is shown the error of his ways and then after chastisement find out he is going to be SAVED TOO!.....Whew!....The Pastor is in for a major ride through the LOF! Unless God drags him out of Babylon. If not, the Pastors weeping and gnashing of teeth is going to hurt like proverbial hell before correction is accomplished as it will be in the end. :D
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Jackie Lee:
Arcturus. Thank you so much for confirming. It amazes me what goes on with pastors and I like the name you used* Pack House*
There is so much lust going on there most wouldn't believe.
I am so greatful God brought you and me and others out.
As far as pastor owing you and your husband that is really sad.
What amazes me is how they can even use the name of Jesus and cheat people.. but maybe it shouldn't because look at all the televangelist on television.
Their gospel is give me your money and you will be blessed.
Talking about this makes me thank God over again for pulling me out of those places.
God Bless
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