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Why Mock?
Righteous Judge:
--- Quote from: shibboleth ---For those that believe there's no such thing as freewill. This is your quote RJ. Now you tell me why we shouldn't believe you don't believe in freewill when your first statement is for those don't believe in freewill?
Yes, God is in total control of every event that takes place in His created universe. If you think we are mocking, that's your opinion. Sometimes people who come here who don't want to earnestly contend for the faith have the idea they can change our minds with a few words and misapplied scripture. Many of these people are angry and don't want to think. We, many times, answer a fool as a fool. If you don't like that RJ, don't read our material.
If you had called yourself Exalted One, Holy One, Jehovah, or Mrknowitall, I would be suspicious about why you chose such a name. You can call yourself anything you like, but why you chose such a name makes me wonder.
Also, Lydia wasn't saved until her eyes were opened by God. You didn't answer my question. Did you, RJ of your own freewill choose Jesus Christ to be your Saviour? Do you take all credit for your salvation, since it was your freewill that enabled you to choose Jesus?
You really need to look at the scriptures more carefully before you come here firing off your mouth.
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:lol: I hope it's Ok if I laugh once in a while. I just find somethings funny that's all. Shibboleth, another way of putting those words you quoted is this: "For those that don't believe in freewill". Do you have a problem with that. Yeah I know, it sometimes confuses me too. I had to cross-check again to make sure I put it right. I think I did. you should go over it again then you'll see what I'm saying.
Why I chose such a name? Well I had no ill intentions if that's what you're implying. I was going to register as the righteous judge before. I mistakenly entered the wrong e-mail and had to re-register but I couldn't choose "The Righteous Judge" anymore so I just removed the "The". There we go- "Righteous Judge".
I want to repeat again, once again that it is not my intentions to argue at least not now (I'm way to busy to engage in arguments now) but I was only wondering why the mockery. Someone said that it boggles his mind why people have such stupidity as to believe the harlot. Well it doesn't have to boggle your mind if you don't believe in freewill. I would also be careful about referring to people's "stupidity" if they really have no freewill. Afterall, was it not God that made them "stupid". What if you are the ones under deception, would you know it? Afterall, isn't God sovereign? I'm not really bothered about your doctrines right now. I only want to know why you mock others who don't share your point of view.
If they had not deleted all the post in "Emails to Ray" forum, you would have seen more of my point. Well, by all means, believe what you want. The truth is the truth and nothing would change that.
Righteous Judge:
--- Quote from: Harryfeat ---Hello RJ
Try as I might to very carefully avoid mocking or being unnecessarily critical or even just talking down to someone, my intentions are not always successful. No matter how precise we try to be with our wording, there is always room for someone to misinterprete our words. As you said, even face to face communication can be misinterpreted.
I was glad to see the emails to Ray forum closed to posting. If you wanted to find mockery at its best/worst then it was there. It is only human nature to lash out at someone who attacks your friends and people you respect, much less the tenets you strongly believe. I have not seen a lot of mockery in the general discussions board, with a few exceptions.
What is considered mockery? When bobby says that he feels sorry for his friend who is basically deaf and blind as a bat, is he mocking his friend? Do we mock someone when we point out what we perceive as their weaknesses?
If your name had been "God is our righteous judge", do you think anyone would have been confused. I, at first, found the name you chose to be humorous if not sarcastic, given the subject or your post. After considering it for a couple of seconds realized that was not your intent.
Is there mockery going on in this forum? Yes. But not all of it is intentional. You can read a lot more of unintended into someone's sentences that were not well thought out or precisely worded.
I am glad the topic came up because it is so easy to belittle those who do not believe as we do. It is tiresome and somewhat condescending to hear that "when you have ears to hear and eyes to see then you will understand what I am talking about" There are so many ways that we unintentionally put others down. It is important to reflect on this and renew our resolve to treat our brothers and sisters with love.
I have detected no warmth of brotherly love in your post, however. Your post is basically accusatory in my perception. Some of the response you got is understandable if not regrettable but I did not think that the post was made in the spirit of brotherly love and understanding. Perhaps I am wrong, but I didn't see the evidence of it. Perhaps if I had ears.... :shock:
If I had to use a single word to describe the overall tone of your two posts then it could very well be "mockery". What do you think? Give us some reason to think otherwise. If you have been on this board before then do you have an ax to grind here that I/we are unaware of. Bobby says you are deceiving. Perhaps he knows who you are but I don't know what he's talking about. Do you?
I am completely lost as to your intent here though I find this an important topic. For now, I will assume that your intentions were honest and done with brotherly love at its base. That is afterall the reason for mine.
Blessings and love to you RJ and please be at peace with us and yourself.
feat
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Well finally, someone got what I was asking and answered well. Very true what you said. I can agree with that. Appologies if my user name confused anyone. By the way, Harry, "God is our Righteous Judge" is way too long for me to use as a user name. You can imagine typing all that over and over again anytime you want to login but I understood what you meant. I appreciate your reply. Thanks
hillsbororiver:
Hello RJ, this was one remarkable post, a few verses came to mind as I was reading it;
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 23:24 Ye blindguides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.
"Hillsbororiver, on the contrary, I've read a lot of Ray's writings. I agree with him on some points like the spiritual state of the "church" (I know you don't even believe that word is biblical but allow me this once)."
RJ, on what basis were you able to make the following statement? When did I ever say such a thing. Please show me.
Where have I said the word "church" is not biblical?
Exo 23:1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
Pro 12:17 He that speaketh truth showeth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
Pro 25:18 A man that beareth false witness against his neighbor is a maul, and a sword, and a sharp arrow.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
I have said there is a carnal church and a spiritual church, the word church appears in the bible over 70 times in one form or the other.
It may have made you laugh when some questioned your use of a name reserved for God, but even Jesus would not allow Himself even to be called good.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Yes, one remarkable post.
Joe
Righteous Judge:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver ---Hello RJ, this was one remarkable post, a few verses came to mind as I was reading it;
Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
Mat 23:24 Ye blindguides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings.
"Hillsbororiver, on the contrary, I've read a lot of Ray's writings. I agree with him on some points like the spiritual state of the "church" (I know you don't even believe that word is biblical but allow me this once)."
RJ, on what basis were you able to make the following statement? When did I ever say such a thing. Please show me.
Where have I said the word "church" is not biblical?
Exo 23:1 Thou shalt not raise a false report: put not thine hand with the wicked to be an unrighteous witness.
Pro 12:17 He that speaketh truth showeth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
Pro 25:18 A man that beareth false witness against his neighbor is a maul, and a sword, and a sharp arrow.
Mat 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
I have said there is a carnal church and a spiritual church, the word church appears in the bible over 70 times in one form or the other.
It may have made you laugh when some questioned your use of a name reserved for God, but even Jesus would not allow Himself even to be called good.
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Yes, one remarkable post.
Joe
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Interesting! It appears that I'm not the one who hasn't read much of Ray's teachings. Besides when I said you, I should have pointed out that "you" here is plural. God be with you
love_magnified:
God blinding others is as much of a test for us as it is for them.
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