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Us and Them
worm:
hey guys,
one thing I've realised when coming to the realisation of UR, is that there is NO MORE "US" and "THEM"...
it is alarming for me to still find on UR sites people referring to others as "they do this"..."they do that"..."thank God I'm not so blind anymore as them"..."they are perverting the word of God" etc etc
shouldn't the more "enlightened" ones be just that...a light in the darkness? but without pride, without being "superior"...but in love...like guides of light towards the bigger Truth?
shouldn't we strive to build bridges for people to safely "come out of Babylon"?
shouldn't we have the heart, mind and love of Christ for ALL people?
yes, even "those in the Harlot" system?
if we can't even love our brothers who are still drinking milk, how are we to love the unbelievers?
as God loves us ALL unconditionally, no matter whether we are chosen, elect, harlots, unbelievers...His plan is to save us ALL...we're not ALL on the same path...not yet...but we WILL be :D
so NOW...there's only "US"..."THEM" should be no longer in our vocab
anyway, just had to get this "off my chest" :wink:
ertsky:
well i still see a "them" and an "us"
them = bondwoman, us = freewoman
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son : for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
many (them) are called and few (us) are chosen
but yeah i agree all is of God
but i wouldn't want to point that out you think there is no them and us to Stephen
Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
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Sorin:
--- Quote from: ertsky ---well i still see a "them" and an "us"
them = bondwoman, us = freewoman
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son : for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
many (them) are called and few (us) are chosen
but yeah i agree all is of God
but i wouldn't want to point that out to Stephen
Act 7:54 When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
f
--- End quote ---
Yeah me too. I still see a "Them" and "Us" also. 8)
Craig:
Worm,
I see it as us too.
The message of UR though new and exciting to most here, is still the milk of the word. The message is so much more. To die daily to self, to overcome, to have Christ's spirit truely working in us is the meat of the word.
And to that goal I am striving, like all of us.
Romans 8:
21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Blessings!
Craig
rocky:
Seems to me these "them" were the Corinthians, who Paul died daily for. He encouraged, instructed, and his life was to preach the milk-Christ's death, burial and resurrection. Head knowledge of coming out of babylon is not the same as experential coming out. Unless each of us can say we are completely out, then we are yet carnal too.
2Co 4:11 For we who live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh.
2Co 4:12 So then death worketh in us, but life in you. This was his attitude to the "them"
2Co 4:15 For all things are for your sakes, that the grace, being multiplied through the many, may cause the thanksgiving to abound unto the glory of God.
2Co 4:16 Wherefore we faint not; but though our outward man is decaying, yet our inward man is renewed day by day.
2Co 4:17 For our light affliction, which is for the moment, worketh for us more and more exceedingly an eternal weight of glory;
2Co 4:17 For our light affliction, which is for the moment, worketh for us more and more exceedingly an eternal weight of glory;
1Co 1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:4 I thank my God always concerning you, for the grace of God which was given you in Christ Jesus;
1Co 1:6 even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you:
(even though carnal)
1Co 1:7 so that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ;
1Co 1:8 who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye be unreproveable in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Co 1:9 God is faithful, through whom ye were called into the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.
1Co 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfected together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who was made unto us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know anything among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.
1Co 2:3 And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling.
1Co 2:4 And my speech and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
1Co 2:5 that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
1Co 3:2 I fed you with milk, not with meat; for ye were not yet able to bear it: nay, not even now are ye able;
1Co 3:23 and ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
In love, thru death to self, life is given to "them"
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