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Adams power
Kat:
Hi Joe,
Yes I see your point.
--- Quote ---Although Adam made a rash emotional decision to be with Eve and "damn the torpedoes" when he was approached by God he seemed to waver a bit and say "the woman thou gavest me" with Eve standing right there, and then Eve blames the serpent, it sounds exactly like what happens when 2 (or more) people commit a crime they are "all for one and one for all" until the cops show up, then the finger pointing and blame game begins.
--- End quote ---
That sound like just what happened, now that you explained it :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
hillsbororiver:
I just had another thought and can use some help seeing its significance (if indeed there is any). Has anyone ever thought about the fact that the only two people who were not formed in the womb of their Mother were the only two people who saw and experienced the garden of Eden?
All their needs were addressed in Eden, food, stable temperature and climate therefore no need for clothes, no need to be fearful or even aware of potential dangers, no knowledge of the hostile potential of the world.
Is that not what a baby in it's Mother's womb experiencing? Food, shelter and comfort is provided as they are blissfully ignorant until the day they get that fateful slap on the rear.
Like I said I do not know what if any significance there is but the thought crossed my mind and I was wondering if it had with anyone else.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
Patrick:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 02, 2007, 11:39:57 AM ---
Although Adam made a rash emotional decision to be with Eve and "damn the torpedoes" when he was approached by God he seemed to waver a bit and say "the woman thou gavest me" with Eve standing right there, and then Eve blames the serpent, it sounds exactly like what happens when 2 (or more) people commit a crime they are "all for one and one for all" until the cops show up, then the finger pointing and blame game begins.
--- End quote ---
In Adam and Eve's case, "The Man" showed up!
Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: (OH NO, we are busted) and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto the man, and said unto him, Where art thou? (come out with your hands in the air [and we know God knew where they were])
I'm not so sure "Conventional Christiandom" believes the Lord has any power in saving mankind. I wish I had a nickle for everytime someone has said, "well, it's certainly His desire to save mankind, BUT, free will.....".
Joe, I have never thought about that. I'm sure there is a significance in there somewhere. My mom told me I was screaming as I was being delivered; don't know for sure if that's really the case or if that's even possible.
chav:
Hisbororiver states
All their needs were addressed in Eden, food, stable temperature and climate therefore no need for clothes, no need to be fearful or even aware of potential dangers, no knowledge of the hostile potential of the world.
I'm not so sure that their world was that free of hostility. Didn't God tell them to subdue the world before they sinned, what did they have to overcome ?
Dave UK
Deborah-Leigh:
Joe
Is that not what a baby in it's Mother's womb experiencing? Food, shelter and comfort is provided as they are blissfully ignorant until the day they get that fateful slap on the rear.
That is an interesting thought you posted! 8)
Patrick I looked up "man" on e-sword and found out it refers to "mankind". So i deduce from this that, after Adam and Eve ate of the tree they were transformed into humans because it appears that it was after this event, that the word MAN appears in the text.
Also Joe, I recall that Adam was ecstatic when God brought Eve to him. He said “At Last!....” his reminding God that God had given Eve to him, for me meant he was loyal to the gift he received from God and gave his life due to that love for her and absence of his desire to ever have to be separated from her or be alone again without her. God had observed that it was not good for Adam to be alone.
I think Adam was quite a man actually. Like Christ, he laid down his life for his bride. Adam took the bite out of that fruit just like Jesus took the bite of death on His cross at Calvary for his Bride too. Of course Adam sinned and Jesus was sinless and that is the enormous difference. Jesus did the will of God and Adam did not but God knew he wouldn’t anyway! That was all in the plan of God!
One small point. Why does the scripture say that God drove out the man…and not the woman?....only kidding!....both were human and both had to leave the Garden of Eden. Has something of this garden remained in the souls of women who are recognised for having intuition and poor logic skills?.....Who knows? :D God does!.... 8)
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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