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hillsbororiver:
Hi rj,
I wonder what is really going on in the minds of those who will reject plain scripture in order to maintain man made doctrine, I know their eyes have been blinded but what are they thinking deep down. I know that when the Lord had me in virtually total darkness I was very aware of some of the sinful things I was doing and was usually quite capable of justifying almost everything in my mind.
I remembered this from Romans's Chapter 8 when I was reading Ray's explaination of "specially those who believe." (1Tim 4:10)
Romans 8 (New King James Version)
From Suffering to Glory
18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. 19 For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 Now He who searches the hearts knows what the mind of the Spirit is, because He makes intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.
What an incredible promise to contemplate and experience.
His Peace to you Brother,
Joe
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Kat:
Hi Joe,
I think that all those preachers don't have a clue what the Bible says, so they depend on what they learn in seminary schools. And regardless of what the scripture say they teach what they learned in school. They have a whole network of support for what they teach, so they feel justified.
They hate people that stand up against them, because they threaten their whole church system and their way of life, which more times than not is pretty lavish.
Mar 7:6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
Mar 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
Mar 7:8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men."
Mar 7:9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
snorky:
AMEN, Kat!
In fact before I stopped going to the little country church I was in and cleaned I learned that the pastor in fact "recycles" old sermons! He's got folders of old sermons and told me he goes through them sometimes and picks out used sermons he figures would rouse the congregation or fit into a particular event (Memorial Day, Veterans Day, Fourth of July etc.) Fact is, he preaches, he admits, the way he learned to preach at the seminary.
So basically what he is saying is that he is NOT LED BY GOD to do what he does, but by man. I've popped in a time or two since I've left the church and guess what? He's still using the same ol' sermons. It's funny but he actually gets it right lots of times, but, just when you think he's turning the corner, he comes up with something false like "human free will choice to accept Christ or not."
And thanks, Joe, for the list you provided, especially Ephesians, which is a piece I've been looking for to show that there is more than one time for reconciliation/dispendation and backing for 1 Timothy 2:3-4. Deb aka snorky
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 06, 2007, 02:33:00 PM ---
Hi Joe,
I think that all those preachers don't have a clue what the Bible says, so they depend on what they learn in seminary schools. And regardless of what the scripture say they teach what they learned in school. They have a whole network of support for what they teach, so they feel justified.
They hate people that stand up against them, because they threaten their whole church system and their way of life, which more times than not is pretty lavish.
Mar 7:6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me;
Mar 7:7 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
Mar 7:8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men."
Mar 7:9 And he said to them, "You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
--- End quote ---
Thank you Kat, (Deb aka snorky, You are very welcome!)
I can understand these folks defending or being loyal to these man made doctrines not only because of a certain comfort level (lukewarm, neither cold nor hot) but also from a sense of superiority they do not want to relinquish as well as it being the source (they believe) of their bread and butter, not only the clergy but the networking within the (church) system.
Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable and poor and blind and naked:
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
P.S. I still would like to be able to actually read the minds of some of the leadership as scriptural witnesses are presented, there must be a spike in their brainwaves as His Word clashes with their idols of the heart.
snorky:
Amazing, Joe! Tonight I saw (just for the heck of it) John Hagee, being his usual false profit self, and he really outdid himself this time! He was going over the church of Sardis in Revelation and came to this part about how one can tell if one is a pharisee. He must have made a list of his own attributes! anyway, the second way one can spot a pharisee is that a pharisee "insists that the only authority is the Word of God and that no man has any authority over him" !!! Hagee then went on to say that church elders (such as himself of course) have authority over their congregations, and, of course, God gave them that authority!
Well, I reckon that makes Christ a Pharisee! I guess when Christ told Satan "no man lives by bread alone but by every word of God" (Matt. 4:4) He forgot to consult with Mr. Dual Covenant! A pharisee also tries to set people on the course of Bible truth. I guess that makes Ray a pharisee (in fact when he said that I felt he was aiming specifically at Ray!) and the rest of us as well! In fact, it seems to me that Hagee, who is doing God's Will here, is telling people some very dangerous stuff lately.
Deb aka snorky
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