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A Question about freewill
skydreamers:
Beautiful post Dwight!
It is true, though our finite minds may not completely comprehend it, ALL is for the benefit of good.
--- Quote ---We cannot know light without darkness.
--- End quote ---
I have often contemplated the truth of this. The scriptures, of course, speaks volumes on this. And life and the world all around us attests to this truth as well.
A baby pushes forth with much struggle from a darkened womb to the light of a new world to grow into its own unique life.
A seedling pushes forth with much struggle from the darkened earth to the light of the sun to blossom into something beautiful.
A muscle of the body coming up continually against resistance grows in strength and stamina.
The darkness and the struggle always comes first but eventually this gives birth to something greater and more glorious.
I always use to wonder why the evening came first:
Genesis 1:5 ESV
5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the first day.
but now I see it's an example of a pattern, a parable. In biblical times, the evening was the start of the day. Darkness always comes first.
Psalms 30:5 MKJV
5 Weeping may endure for a night, but joy comes in the morning.
1 Corinthians 15:46 ESV
46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
I use to wonder why on earth women have to go through such pain to birth children. Why did God curse them? But perhaps this is also a parable. Babies experience the trauma of birth, but no less does the mother experience the trauma along with her child. Do you even remember any details of your birth experience? But I can assure your mother remembers it well!
Is this perhaps God's experience? Though we struggle, He feels our pain. It is not in his heart to have us suffer. He doesn't stand by in comfortableness waiting for us to get through it, but suffers and weeps along with us. Our Savior is not one who does not understand the depths of ALL experiences. I'm not saying God gets caught up in our fleshly emotions. But our Savior did come in the flesh and he knows...he understands...
And as earthly parents, we would gladly take on the trials and suffering we know our children must endure in their lives, and spare them from it. Yet deep within we know that they MUST go through it. We know that even if we could shelter them from all evils we would end up with spoiled needy children who cannot live productive lives of their own. But is their a loving devoted parent alive that doesn't go through each trial along with their child?
--- Quote ---When Joseph (a type of the elect) was exposing his brethern for their evil to his father, they were very wroth with him and sought to do him evil. And they did evil to him and sold him to Egypt and he was cast into an evil prision. Then you know the rest of the story and in the end Joseph said, " But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Gen. 50:20.
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Love this story of Joseph!
Before Joseph revealed who he really was to his brothers he put them through many trials/tests. Does anyone imagine he enjoyed doing this to his own brothers? Eventually he was overcome with emotion:
Genesis 45:1-2 NIV
1 Then Joseph could no longer control himself before all his attendants, and he cried out, "Have everyone leave my presence!" So there was no one with Joseph when he made himself known to his brothers.
2 And he wept so loudly that the Egyptians heard him, and Pharaoh's household heard about it.
If Joseph is a type of Christ/Elect than this is OUR SAVIOR WEEPING!
No, it is not in our father's heart that we should endure pain, but it is in his wisdom that we must endure the darkness to find the light. It's His perfect plan. In this I trust.
Peace and love to you all,
Diana
Jackie Lee:
God has given all of you so much of his Wisdom I didn't realize there was such people.
I want to mention the sins of our youth, has anyone noticed when they were younger how much easier it was to sin.
Now that some of us are older it is hard to imagine the things we did then.
Yet the things of our youth brought us here to understand how God works.
To teach us.
The things we did and the regrets too I see now how wretched we really are.
Another thing is circumstances and the kind of family we are born into has a big part of the things we go through.
This just proves to me I could have been a Jeffery Dahlmer or a Hitler Son of Sam I could have been the vilest of the vile.
I am just greatful he doesn't destroy me, Now I understand the scripture we are all as filthy rags.
For this I am so greatful I was born into the family I was born in.
Anyone feel free to correct me on anything. :)
gmik:
Jackie, thank you for that insight.
Diana, I loved that birthing analogy.
seeker1:
Great post Dwight, I see somebody beat me to the punch on thanking you for your insightful and on target reply.
Deborah-Leigh:
Yes my brother Dwight
You express the Sovereignty of our Lord to remind us that He is the ONE and we are HIS. Thank you.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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