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If God alone has immortality.....
hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Kat on March 17, 2007, 10:54:04 AM ---
Very interesting study.
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I will second that!
The angel/messenger status or what they truly are is still a subject I do not have a very firm grasp on at all, the scriptures (to me anyway) have not been real clear and left it a bit of a mystery.
Thank you Josh and Kat for the thoughtful posts, as this certainly is an interesting topic.
There are still so many things I have to just accept I do not know at this time.
His Peace to you,
Joe
Jay:
This is how I understand the issue concerning where the Bible states that only God has immortality:
God is the source and author of life. Life inheres in Him. He doesn't derive it from anyone or anything else.
Rather, all of His created beings, whether they be angelic or human, receive life from Him, THE Source! So, whether the angels are immortal at present (which I believe they are) or when immortality is conferred to humans in the future, it still will be true that God ALONE is the ONLY one that possess immortality inasmuch as HE IS that life source. It is HIS possession which He grants as a GIFT to His creatures.
As far as the angels, look at what Jesus says here:
Luke 20:36 "nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
Also, Jesus Himself states that He has the same quality of life that God the Father has, with one major difference:
John 5:26 "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
The Father is the Source of Christ's life as well.
God bless.
Jay
sansmile:
Kat,
I don't know how to clip and post what u said! silly me!
But when you posted the scriptures about:
Heb 2:9 But, Jesus, (was)made some little less than messengers(angels), we do behold: by reason of the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour, to the end that, by favour of God, in behalf of every one, He might taste of death.
Were not those messengers the prophets of old?? Not so much "heavenly" as angels floating, but those that were sent before....in the OT .....to spread prophecy.?
So, we are the sons of the resurrection, but the OT patriarchs weren't?
Am i rambling again, do you see what i mean? Or is that what you were saying?
GB Sandie
LittleBear:
This is a very interesting thread.
Diana, I read your post yesterday, and I just always assumed that angels were immortal. I was looking up scriptures for angels last night, but I was having a hard time correlating the two points, that is, angels and immortality, and I finally gave up. I was looking forward to reading the answers today.
The scripture of Luke 20:36 given by both Jay and Kat seems to indicate that angels are immortal.
Ursula
Kat:
Hi Sandie,
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
--- Quote ---Were not those messengers the prophets of old?? Not so much "heavenly" as angels floating, but those that were sent before....in the OT .....to spread prophecy.?
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I don't see that this word 'angels' as applying to the OT prophets. I was thinking that He was made a little lower than the angels, as His coming as flesh and blood, while at that time the angels were still spirit.
John 1:14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
This verse makes me think that Jesus Christ was never lower than the prophets or any human :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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