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mrsnacks:
I have learned here that one can study and study and take courses ( like I did) and not even arrive at the many truths I have learned at this site and many others.
How does God enlighten us ? How does He give us understanding ? I know it comes from Him but is there something that we must do ? It then sounds like works if I have to do something to understand truths.

It is almost like everything I have learned from the theologian giants of Christendom has been wrong. And they sound so profound and intellectual. Yet these truths I have learned sound so simple. How can a person read one verse and come up with a completely different perspective ? How does one know if they are right about this or that ? Ray does sound confident and he uses the word "crock " a lot when he hears something he doesn't agree to. But how does he really know or any of us know. I have been wrong so many times and have changed positions back and forth.

Deborah-Leigh:
Hello mrsnacks

The Scripture that came to mind as I read your post was the following:

Eph 4 : 14 So then, we may no longer be children, tossed like shops to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, the prey of the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, gamblers engaged in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead.

The fruit of the teachings from Ray that I have received have been healing separation and liberation, setting me free from the seductive hold of Mystery Babylon and the Heresy of the Harlot.

John 8 : 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

I have read 95 % of all of the Bible Truth site and have pondered and meditated on the teachings. I have studied and highlighted and considered and weighed up the conclusions. This has all been done because Christ has led me to do this and has given me the mental capacity, the available time and the necessary resources to do so. It is ALL from HIM.

Christ has crystallised the teachings into my heart and soul. HE did it! HE opened my mind. HE has given all good gifts. What I have received is what HE has considered in HIS infinite Wisdom, appropriate for HIS Plan for my life HE has purchased. I can do NOTHING of any good or merit as you observe so wisely and correctly. No one can deserve to not be tossed to and fro by every changing wind of doctrine.

As a tip that might help you however.....I have come to a place in my life where I no longer open the windows of my mind to let any hail storm or wind come in anymore. I do not give my ear or eyes to the world or the doctrines of the Harlot any more. But then again....I gave more than 40 years of my life looking and listening to false teaching and blinding heresy. Jesus restored  my eyes and healed my ears. HE alone does what it takes and until He does, we have to ride the storm and experience the tossing growing pains that may lead us into solitary seclusion with Christ. He shuts out distraction. He closes the door to Heresy and He opens the door to truth and understanding and you can know it is HIM through the peace and joy that follow.

This is my experience talking here and I do not expect anyone to agree or believe what I write. It is true for me though and I hope in some way it can help or encourage.....

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

YellowStone:
Mr Snacks,

What I am going to say will no doubt cause some discussion, but I believe from the very center of my being, which is God and his Son, that the truth was always in me and always available to me.

Being that I was exposed to many different churchs/beliefs as a child, I was turned off of all that was taught. The math just never equated. One God and a hundred or more doctrines. Simply put, if 99 were wrong, why not 100? Or, put another way, if all were only partly correct then they could not be correct at all. Truth is truth, not part truths.

Thankfully, I was caused to believe that there was nothing remotely as complicated in "knowing" and "serving" God as I was led to believe in church. Ray, has been such a blessing, not because he is causing me to unlearn years of indoctrination; but rather that he is saying what I knew to be true. :)

Of course I cannot say I could voice everything, for I never once considered that Jehovah of the OT and Jesus Christ of the NT were one and the same, BUT the moment I heard it from Ray, I knew it to be true. I knew all of the contentious Scriptures that seemed to contradict, so I guess you could say I knew the truth when I heard it. (How could I know if it were not already there)

This is what I am trying to say, the truth is in us, it is just waiting to be released. This is why truth can be found anywhere at anytime. No one person has the sole handle on truth.

Man seeks to make God available to only a few. Man also seeks to confine God to the four walls of a church or a temple; likewise to the constraints of a doctrine or belief. Man in his blindness and foolishness then "gives" God to whom they may, and if someone with an earnest question dare to ask, they are often looked upon with disdain. (Been there, recieved that)

I am reposting a section that I wrote in another thread to a similar question of yours.
John 17:3  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Ah, but many will ask: "How can I ever know God? I am poor, I cannot afford books or tuition ."

But as you said, knowing and learning of God and his Divinity is not difficult, and no books or tuition is required.

Rom 1:20  For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

Rom 1:21  Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Rom 1:22  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

DO you see the significance in this Scripture. All that needs to known about God, including his eternal Godhead, can be learned from creation from the things HE made, and man is without excuse. But they learned of God, but rejected God; preferring to instead to fall victims to their own imaginations and became fools.

As a side note to this:
Pro 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

This is in itself, another very simple truth. If one cannot trust God based all that one has learned from creation, then surely one has become a fool. 

Mr Snacks, the TRUTH is available to all. Some seek and never find, while other find and never seek.

I believe that the Truth is something that cannot be found, intead one must be "open" to it. Being "open" does not mean automatically believing everything heard or read.

I would ask you and any other that cares to answer. What is a single truth that is more important to you than the knowledge of God that is to be found in creation. To the point of no man having an excuse for not getting it. Why then did God choose not to make this truth known?

Second guessing God is not a great idea. Can the God which made all things; a flower it's beauty, a sunrise it spectacularness, a sunset its glory; a song bird its song, etc. even be found in any church and the doctrines within?

Just my thoughts, comments welcome.

Your brother in Christ,
Darren

cherokee:
Yellowstone,

I too have felt like you, "that the truth was always in me and always available to me". Whenever I learn something new it's like it was always there it just need something or someone to bring it forword. While reading your post this verse came to mind.

Hebrews 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their minds, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.

I'm not sure if that's what this verse is talking about but, it sure seems to fit. If I am not understanding this right please, someone set me straight.

ever learning in Christ,

Suzie

josh:
Darren,

You state: "I believe from the very center of my being, which is God and his Son, that the truth was always in me and always available to me."

What is you scriptural witness for this statement? I read and reread your post to make sure I was not missing it...

How can the truth be already "in" us... if the knowledge of the truth is something we have to "come to"?

1 Timothy 2:3-5
This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

2 Timothy 2:24-26
The Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.

2 Timothy 3:5-7
For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Furthermore, is not the truth simply the word of God?

John 17:16-19
"They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. Sanctify them in the truth; Your word is truth. As You sent Me into the world, I also have sent them into the world. For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth."

And if the truth is already "in" us, why then do we have to be santified "in" truth?

Ephesians 4:20-24
But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth.

And do we not have to lay aside our former self in order to put on the new self which is created in righteousness and holiness of the truth?

And what about those who say that they have no sin? Do they have the truth already in them?

1 John 1:7-9
But if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin. If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I'm sorry Darren, I do not agree with you statement. I believe the scriptures clearly tell us that the truth is something that we come to only by the grace of God who has saw fit to reveal it to us in His perfect timing... few in this age, many in the age to come... so that one day He will be ALL in ALL... but not until that time will the truth be in all of us.

God's Peace.
Josh

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