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How does one arrive at new truths and revelations from God?
YellowStone:
Josh, I will respond to your post because you have obviously put a great deal of effort (through the grace of God) into it.
You said:
Notice that the “ordinances of the Lord” which are” true and righteous altogether” did not originate in David’s mind or from within his being, but that God revealed this to him by “the heavens telling the glory of God and the firmament proclaiming his handiwork.”
Well of course!! :) Honestly Josh, isn't this what I said. Do you really believe that I think Man is responsible for his learning the truth? It's not what I said brother. :)
Darren, you state that: “Of course I cannot say I could voice everything, for I never once considered that Jehovah of the OT and Jesus Christ of the NT were one and the same, BUT the moment I heard it from Ray, I knew it to be true. I knew all of the contentious Scriptures that seemed to contradict, so I guess you could say I knew the truth when I heard it.”
But can you claim that you already possessed the sum of the word of God… before God led you to open up the scriptures and actually read and understand what they say?
No Josh, I never once said that I had the "sum" of the Word of God, I am sorry that you thought I did. But let me ask you this Josh. :)
How does God upload his truth into you? Does he use a wireless, broadband connection. Is His words encrypted with 2400 bit encryption. Do they float through billions of lightyears to reach your heart. Or are they already there? We are in God, perhaps he just removes the darkness so that we can see the truth for what it is. Why then is the truth so comfortable, so perfect? How can we be so sure it is truth? God grants truth, can he not also hide it? :)
What troubles me most about this entire thread… is that Darren, to say that the truth has “always been in you and available to you”… and that “The truths that are to be found in all of creation (heavens, firmament, clouds) are in Davids mind (mine also)…” sound as though you are already sure of your election?
Josh, for you to even think such a thing just shows that the words that I type do not match the words of my heart. If you believe that I am certain of my election then you surely do not know me at all :(
But can you claim that you already possessed the sum of the word of God… before God led you to open up the scriptures and actually read and understand what they say?
Your words brother Josh, I never said this or implied it. Infact, I did say that the truth I believe I have which is God, has not yet been revealed to me so that I could understand. I never once said I knew it all, I never once said anyone is wrong. I was sharing brother Josh and I said nothing like what you accuse me for. :)
I will admit that it seems I was mistaken regarding my rendering of Jer 31 and Heb 8
I have checked many translations regarding the next Scripture, and cannot find conclusive evidence regarding the correct translation.
Psa 51:6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden [part] thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
I see some translations saying "thou shalt make me to know wisdom" while others say "you are making me know wisdom" (words mine)
So Josh, I thank you for shedding the light on these scriptures. :)
Jesus Christ is the Word of God, He is the way, THE TRUTH and the life… and the SUM OF HIS WORD IS TRUTH… do you believe that you possessed this before God led you to read the scriptures
Josh let me say something here. I have been reading the bible for almost 40 years. Did God first lead me to it or not? If he did, according to his plan, then I certainly DID NOT reach any kind of realization of truth. Note I never once said I did. :)
Let me share something with you. I read the Bible, I was taught that the same Scripture could say 3 different things. Oh I revered the Bible, not that I understood it, but rather it was the word of God. God never changes, yet it seemed His word changed as many times as people who read it.
I know that God has been in my heart for as long as I can remember. I can truthfully say to you that I do not know a time when he was not. Think on this for a while, please. I knew when God was close, and I knew the times I tried to walk alone, defiant, proud and conceited. Who was I kidding? He was with me always.
Am I wrong or foolish to tell you that God has blessed me repeatedly throughout my life thus far. I trust Him explicitly, I used to seek him in countless books and never grew closer, actually He pulled away. Josh, I was searching for something but I didn't know what; God was with me all the while. It wasn't until I stopped seeking Him with my eyes and hands but rather my heart that His truths were revealed.
Perhaps I am the only one who feels that when truth is discovered it is like darkness being pulled away and His truth beams outward from within me, not inward. This is simply how it is for me.
I am not saying anyone is wrong, and I am not saying that I am special nor that I am even one of his chosen, let alone his elected. I would never do such a thing, for who am I to question God's plan for me. I have no reason to worry or be afraid, for the darkness that was once within me is being pushed aside most everyday.
I hope this leaves you with a greater understanding of what I was saying. I cannot say when God was first revealed to me; it truly feels like He has always been with me. I can however, tell you the first time I discovered a like minded person who at least spoke the words within my heart, and that was when I read the first article of Ray's. I knew I wasn't alone.
God continues to bend, twist and shape me, for brother, I am a long way from perfect.
May God continue to bless you my brother,
Your brother in Christ.
Darren
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on April 10, 2007, 06:16:29 PM ---Darren
I think Josh and all the other brothers and sisters here have very kindly, soberly and thoughtfully given you enough to think about without me having to now answer your questions which answers would pale by contrast to the wisdom and insight already offered to you.
Suffice to say that God's Word does not return to Him empty, and the Word was with God, (Jn 1:1 ) and the Word was God (Jn 1:1) and the Word was made flesh, (Jn 1 : 14) and His Name was called The Word of God, ( Rev 19 : 13) and His Name shall be in their foreheads. (Rev 22 : 4)
Rev 15 : 4 Who shall not reverence and glorify Your Name, O Lord? For You only are holy.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
--- End quote ---
Arcturus, I can feel your love.
Thank you my sister,
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
SeeksAllTruth:
I believe that we the true brethren can find ourselves with God at the very begining. Ephesians Chapter One Verses 3 through 14. Verse 4 says For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in His sight. But prior to the Holy Spirit teaching me this, I didnot have spiritual ears to hear as Satan was holding me captive through my mind which of course is "fleshy intellect". So when I read verse 4 in particular, I see God the father having known us long before we were born. Amen...?
May God's Glory Rest Upon You,
Bruce
iris:
Hi Bruce,
Welcome to the forum! Glad you're here.
Thanks for the scriptures.
Ephesians 1:4 is a powerful and humbling scripture;
According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Thanks
Iris
Redbird:
Bruce,
I agree with Iris. :) And welcome in His name.
Lisa
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