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« on: March 17, 2006, 09:51:50 AM »

Dear Nameless:
This may come as a shock to you, but God did not write the "King James Bible."
Ray




Ray,

     You are no more than a devil in desquise. There is more preaching on hell than heaven in the Bible. That is how serious God sees this. He gives us all a choice and you are too busy in confusing people in the truth. Explain all these scriptural sayings. As to the beast as being us; you are as deceived as the one you follow; the devil.......the greatest deciever of all time.
Mat 23:33  Ye serpents,3789 ye generation1081 of vipers,2191 how4459 can ye escape5343, (575) the3588 damnation2920 of hell?1067

Mar 9:45  And2532 if1437 thy4675 foot4228 offend4624 thee,4571 cut it off:609, 846 it is2076 better2570 for thee4671 to enter1525 halt5560 into1519 life,2222 than2228 having2192 two1417 feet4228 to be cast906 into1519 hell,1067 into1519 the3588 fire4442 that never shall be quenched:762

Mar 9:47  And2532 if1437 thine4675 eye3788 offend4624 thee,4571 pluck it out:1544, 846 it is2076 better2570 for thee4671 to enter1525 into1519 the3588 kingdom932 of God2316 with one eye,3442 than2228 having2192 two1417 eyes3788 to be cast906 into1519 hell1067 fire:4442

Luk 10:15  And2532 thou,4771 Capernaum,2584 which art exalted5312 to2193 heaven,3772 shalt be thrust down2601 to2193 hell.86

Luk 12:5  But1161 I will forewarn5263 you5213 whom5101 ye shall fear:5399 Fear5399 him, which after he hath killed615 hath2192 power1849 to cast1685 into1519 hell;1067 yea,3483 I say3004 unto you,5213 Fear5399 him.5126

Act 2:31  He seeing this before4275 spake2980 of4012 the3588 resurrection386 of Christ,5547 that3754 his846 soul5590 was not3756 left2641 in1519 hell,86 neither3761 his846 flesh4561 did see1492 corruption.1312

Jam 3:6  And2532 the3588 tongue1100 is a fire,4442 a world2889 of iniquity;93 so3779 is2525 the3588 tongue1100 among1722 our2257 members,3196 that it defileth4695 the3588 whole3650 body,4983 and2532 setteth on fire5394 the3588 course5164 of nature;1078 and2532 it is set on fire5394 of5259 hell.1067

Rev 1:18  (2532) I am he that liveth,2198 and2532 was1096 dead;3498 and,2532 behold,2400 I am1510 alive2198 forevermore,1519, 165, 165 Amen;281 and2532 have2192 the3588 keys2807 of hell86 and2532 of death.2288

Rev 20:13  And2532 the3588 sea2281 gave up1325 the3588 dead3498 which were in1722 it;846 and2532 death2288 and2532 hell86 delivered up1325 the3588 dead3498 which were in1722 them:846 and2532 they were judged2919 every man1538 according2596 to their848 works.2041

Rev 20:14  And2532 death2288 and2532 hell86 were cast906 into1519 the3588 lake3041 of fire.4442 This3778 is2076 the3588 second1208 death.2288

Psa 9:17  The wicked7563 shall be turned7725 into hell,7585 and all3605 the nations1471 that forget7913 God.430

Isa 14:9  Hell7585 from beneath4480, 8478 is moved7264 for thee to meet7122 thee at thy coming:935 it stirreth up5782 the dead7496 for thee, even all3605 the chief ones6260 of the earth;776 it hath raised up6965 from their thrones4480, 3678 all3605 the kings4428 of the nations.1471


Eze 32:27  And they shall not3808 lie7901 with854 the mighty1368 that are fallen5307 of the uncircumcised,4480, 6189 which834 are gone down3381 to hell7585 with their weapons3627 of war:4421 and they have laid5414 (853) their swords2719 under8478 their heads,7218 but their iniquities5771 shall be1961 upon5921 their bones,6106 though3588 they were the terror2851 of the mighty1368 in the land776 of the living.2416

Hab 2:5  Yea637 also, because3588 he transgresseth898 by wine,3196 he is a proud3093 man,1397 neither3808 keepeth at home,5115 who834 enlargeth7337 his desire5315 as hell,7585 and is as death,4194 and cannot3808 be satisfied,7646 but gathereth622 unto413 him all3605 nations,1471 and heapeth6908 unto413 him all3605 people:5971

Mat 5:22  But1161 I1473 say3004 unto you,5213 That3754 whosoever3956 is angry3710 with his848 brother80 without a cause1500 shall be2071 in danger1777 of the3588 judgment:2920 and1161 whosoever3739, 302 shall say2036 to his848 brother,80 Raca,4469 shall be2071 in danger1777 of the3588 council:4892 but1161 whosoever3739, 302 shall say,2036 Thou fool,3474 shall be2071 in danger1777 of1519 hell1067 fire.4442

Mat 5:29  And1161 if1487 thy4675 right1188 eye3788 offend4624 thee,4571 pluck it out,1807, 846 and2532 cast906 it from575 thee:4675 for1063 it is profitable4851 for thee4671 that2443 one1520 of thy4675 members3196 should perish,622 and2532 not3361 that thy4675 whole3650 body4983 should be cast906 into1519 hell.10

Mat 10:28  And2532 fear5399 not3361, (575) them which kill615 the3588 body,4983 but1161 are not3361 able1410 to kill615 the3588 soul:5590 but1161 rather3123 fear5399 him which is able1410 to destroy622 both2532 soul5590 and2532 body4983 in1722 hell.1067

Mat 11:23  And2532 thou,4771 Capernaum,2584 which art exalted5312 unto2193 heaven,3772 shalt be brought down2601 to2193 hell:86 for3754 if1487 the3588 mighty works,1411 which have been done1096 in1722 thee,4671 had been done1096 in1722 Sodom,4670 it would have remained3306 until3360 this day.4594

Mat 23:15  Woe3759 unto you,5213 scribes1122 and2532 Pharisees,5330 hypocrites!5273 for3754 ye compass4013 sea2281 and2532 land3584 to make4160 one1520 proselyte,4339 and2532 when3752 he is made,1096 ye make4160 him846 twofold more1362 the child5207 of hell1067 than yourselves.5216

Mat 23:33  Ye serpents,3789 ye generation1081 of vipers,2191 how4459 can ye escape5343, (575) the3588 damnation2920 of hell?1067

Mar 9:43  And2532 if1437 thy4675 hand5495 offend4624 thee,4571 cut it off:609, 846 it is2076 better2570 for thee4671 to enter1525 into1519 life2222 maimed,2948 than2228 having2192 two1417 hands5495 to go565 into1519 hell,1067 into1519 the3588 fire4442 that never shall be quenched

Luk 16:23  And2532 in1722 hell86 he lifted up1869 his848 eyes,3788 being5225 in1722 torments,931 and seeth3708 Abraham11 afar off,575, 3113 and2532 Lazarus2976 in1722 his846 bosom.2859
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nightmare sasuke

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Re: Shock
« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2006, 05:57:30 PM »

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You are no more than a devil in desquise.

 
COMMENT: Nameless, pull the plank out of your own eye, first. You probably do not even understand how the Devil works, like most fallen angel believers. My guess is that God “put [it] in [your] heart to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give [your] kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled,� (Rev 17:17) sent you a “strong delusion,� (2Th 2:11) and “gave [you] up to uncleanness through the lusts of [your] own hearts� (Rom 1:24). You can change though, if you give the truths of the Bible a chance! Don’t be deluded any longer!
 
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There is more preaching on hell than heaven in the Bible.


COMMENT: More teachings—oh really? Let me do a quick Bible search... When I search for the word “Heaven� on e-sword, 238 verses appear. When I type in the word Hell, only 23 verses appear. When I type in “eternal life�, 30 verses appear. Do you still insist the mere 23 verses out weigh the 238 verses referring to heaven and 30 verses referring to eonian life? I do not think so.

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That is how serious God sees this. He gives us all a choice and you are too busy in confusing people in the truth. Explain all these scriptural sayings. As to the beast as being us; you are as deceived as the one you follow; the devil.......the greatest deciever of all time.


COMMENT: God gives us FREE (will) choice? No, everything moves to the counsel of his will. He who has not (apparently, like you), it will be taken away (Mat 13:12). They do not choose to be deluded; God sends the delusion to them.  

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Mat 23:33  Ye serpents,3789 ye generation1081 of vipers,2191 how4459 can ye escape5343, (575) the3588 damnation2920 of hell?1067
 

COMMENT: Yes, they were serpents: highly educated God following law loving snakes, just like the preachers of today. About the "damnation of Hell," did you even take the time to look at those Strong’s numbers, or do in depth research into the words? It appears not. I’ll do it for you. The word hell there is gehenna (1067). Strong’s defines it as such:

G1067
γέεννα
geenna
gheh'-en-nah
Of Hebrew origin ([H1516] and [H2011]); valley of (the son of) Hinnom; gehenna (or Ge-Hinnom), a valley of Jerusalem, used (figuratively) as a name for the place (or state) of everlasting punishment: - hell.

Yes, he is right, it was a valley! However, the Bible knows of no “everlasting punishment.� Did you research the word aion? Did you know Jonah was in a fish for an “aionios� amount of time? Did you know there will be a conclusion of the aions? I bet not.

Anyway, Jesus knew exactly what he was saying when he said “gehenna.� He was telling the Pharisees they were idolaters in figuratively sarcastic language! Gehenna was a literal garbage dump, where the worm did not die, and murderers and idolaters were thrown there. If you read the end of the book of Isaiah, you will see exactly what Jesus was talking about, and that it refers to our physical bodies, and definitely does not denote an afterlife. For example, the end of Isaiah says:

Isa 66:15  For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.
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Isa 66:24  And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

Now, if these people are in an afterlife HITLER LIKE TORTURING HELL HOLE, how are people looking on their bodies? You better repent right now, and go look up the true meaning of gehenna.

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Mar 9:45  And2532 if1437 thy4675 foot4228 offend4624 thee,4571 cut it off:609, 846 it is2076 better2570 for thee4671 to enter1525 halt5560 into1519 life,2222 than2228 having2192 two1417 feet4228 to be cast906 into1519 hell,1067 into1519 the3588 fire4442 that never shall be quenched:762


COMMENT: The fire never being quenched is alluding to Isa 66:24: "for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched" By the way, it's GEHENNA! The word translated Hell is yet again "gehenna" in that verse. He’s talking about the judgment of the idolaters! Yes, the fire will not be quenched, until it devours all of the corpses. Remember, Isa 66:24 speaks of an Earthly judgement, not an afterlife. If that verse is literal, why are you not cutting off your arm, and plucking out your eyes? And do you really think some people will be entering into a Paradise with one arm missing?! NO!

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Mar 9:47  And2532 if1437 thine4675 eye3788 offend4624 thee,4571 pluck it out:1544, 846 it is2076 better2570 for thee4671 to enter1525 into1519 the3588 kingdom932 of God2316 with one eye,3442 than2228 having2192 two1417 eyes3788 to be cast906 into1519 hell1067 fire:4444


COMMENT: Are you missing an eye, yet? Better pluck it out now, Jesus told you to, and you apparently, like to take things literally. Hypocrite! Snake! Serpent! (As Jesus would say). By the way, it’s the same word, gehenna! Refer back to Isaiah.

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Luk 10:15  And2532 thou,4771 Capernaum,2584 which art exalted5312 to2193 heaven,3772 shalt be thrust down2601 to2193 hell.86


COMMENT: That word is “Hades.� That’s where my grandfather is, and where I will be when I die. In fact, you’ll be there too! WE ALL GO TO HADES! Strong’s defines it as such:

G86
ᾅδης
hadēs
hah'-dace
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G1492; properly unseen, that is, “Hades� or the place (state) of departed souls: - grave, hell.

Notice it says place of the departed souls; it does not say place of the departed evil souls. It is certainly unseen, and the people in Hades are not seeing as well, for Solomon tells us, “Ecc 9:10  Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave [Sheol, the Hebrew equivalent to Hades], whither thou goest.â€?

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Luk 12:5  But1161 I will forewarn5263 you5213 whom5101 ye shall fear:5399 Fear5399 him, which after he hath killed615 hath2192 power1849 to cast1685 into1519 hell;1067 yea,3483 I say3004 unto you,5213 Fear5399 him.5126


COMMENT: Yes, God can degrade you in the worst possible way, by denying you a burial, and throwing your corpse into a degrading garbage of flames--Gehenna!

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Act 2:31  He seeing this before4275 spake2980 of4012 the3588 resurrection386 of Christ,5547 that3754 his846 soul5590 was not3756 left2641 in1519 hell,86 neither3761 his846 flesh4561 did see1492 corruption.1312


COMMENT: Yes, Christ was not left dead, in Hades, with king David, who is not ascended into Heaven!

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Jam 3:6  And2532 the3588 tongue1100 is a fire,4442 a world2889 of iniquity;93 so3779 is2525 the3588 tongue1100 among1722 our2257 members,3196 that it defileth4695 the3588 whole3650 body,4983 and2532 setteth on fire5394 the3588 course5164 of nature;1078 and2532 it is set on fire5394 of5259 hell.1067


COMMENT: Again… Gehenna. Must I explain anymore? RESEARCH THE WORD AND FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF! You must seek the truth like gold, it’s not easy; you can’t just open the Bible and understand, you must work—hard! Then he will give you his spirit and open your understanding. “Pro 2:4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; Pro 2:5  Then shalt thou understand the fear of the LORD, and find the knowledge of God.â€?

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Rev 1:18  (2532) I am he that liveth,2198 and2532 was1096 dead;3498 and,2532 behold,2400 I am1510 alive2198 forevermore,1519, 165, 165 Amen;281 and2532 have2192 the3588 keys2807 of hell86 and2532 of death.2288


COMMENT: He has the keys to Hades, (Strong’s 86) and death. Death takes you to Hades, Hades is the state of death!

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Rev 20:13  And2532 the3588 sea2281 gave up1325 the3588 dead3498 which were in1722 it;846 and2532 death2288 and2532 hell86 delivered up1325 the3588 dead3498 which were in1722 them:846 and2532 they were judged2919 every man1538 according2596 to their848 works.2041


COMMENT: Hades (all the dead before Christ) is offered up. They are judged according to their works. Hopefully you’ll repent, if not, God will judge you with your own antichrist words.

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Rev 20:14  And2532 death2288 and2532 hell86 were cast906 into1519 the3588 lake3041 of fire.4442 This3778 is2076 the3588 second1208 death.2288


COMMENT: Yes, it is the second death, but death will be abolished!

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Psa 9:17  The wicked7563 shall be turned7725 into hell,7585 and all3605 the nations1471 that forget7913 God.430


COMMENT: Yes, they are turned into Hades, “For the wages of sin is death.� It’s not some eternal Hitler hell hole where people fester in their sin making Jesus fail at his Job!

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Isa 14:9  Hell7585 from beneath4480, 8478 is moved7264 for thee to meet7122 thee at thy coming:935 it stirreth up5782 the dead7496 for thee, even all3605 the chief ones6260 of the earth;776 it hath raised up6965 from their thrones4480, 3678 all3605 the kings4428 of the nations.1471


COMMENT: Yes, Sheol is moved! Are you getting the point, yet?

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Luk 16:23  And2532 in1722 hell86 he lifted up1869 his848 eyes,3788 being5225 in1722 torments,931 and seeth3708 Abraham11 afar off,575, 3113 and2532 Lazarus2976 in1722 his846 bosom.2859


COMMENT: Did you even read Ray’s paper? THAT IS A PARABLE! I’m not even going to waste my time analyzing that scripture for you.

Anyway, that’s all I am commenting on, that’s enough pearls for you. Now, I’m not judging you, I’m sure you’re a fine person. But you need to take the Bible more seriously. You need to search for the answers like silver! This includes studying the Hebrew and Greek. If you search with an open mind, God will begin to reveal things to you. But now, you need to come out of the Harlot who sits upon the seven heads (the seven churches) of the beast, realize “that [you] are [a beast]� (Ecc 3:18 ), AND THEN REPENT! I’ll keep you in my prayers; I just hope my comments helped you gain a better understanding.

PS. Members of the board, correct me if I'm wrong.
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hillsbororiver

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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2006, 07:10:09 PM »

Great reply Nightmare, I was amazed our friend had all those verses with the numbered Strong's translations and apparently has never checked the original Hebrew/Greek word definitions.

I pray that his enthusiasm for heresy will be replaced by a newfound thirst for (Godly) wisdom.

Joe
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nightmare sasuke

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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2006, 09:14:20 PM »

I hope so too. I also found it ironic he had the Strong's numbers with the text but never viewed them.
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