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Two resurrections; when do they take place?
Deborah-Leigh:
Thanks for clearing that up Kat!
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
iris:
1 Corinthians 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. (together, at the same time??)
v. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
v. 54 So when this corruptible shall have put n incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY.
Ray says "Look at the words."
We have a physical body, we will have a spiritual body.
IT'S ALL ONE!!!
Iris
CEO:
Hi
Thank yall for your comments. I feel we are all very close in our understanding. Compare our views with the other 6 1/2 billion souls on earth today. I am sorry I will not be in Nashville. Verbalizing give and take on the fine details would be really fun.
Askseeknock
Charles O
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: rocky on April 28, 2007, 10:02:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: Arcturus on April 28, 2007, 06:23:24 AM ---
I believe and as I have accepted and been taught here in Bible Truths,the Judgment is on the house of God now means NOW upon those called and chosen. Those who are called and not chosen will be raised to judgement in the second Resurrection at the White Throne.
God does not change and this process of changing us to His image has been on going since the garden of Eden, and continued once Christ came and it will continue until He returns.
After Christ returns then the elect and Christ will correct, train and judge those that remain in the second Resurrection. Once all is put under the feet of Christ to adore and recognise HIM as Lord of all and King above all, then Christ will submit to God all and HIMSELF and then after that God will be All in all.
Arcturus :)
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This post brings up a question i have.
We know in this verse
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
this seems sequential to me, die and then judgment.
Dying comes before judgment. God doesn't change; and judgment is now on house of God. So the elect must of died already if we are going through judgment now (as judgment is after death). So this death seems to me must not be a physical death, if we are already going through judgment. And this judgment must not be producing death, as judgment is after death. So the elect die first, undergo judgment, then are resurrected, never to die again.
elect: die---->judgment now (in a state of death)-------->resurrected to life.
Now, it seems to me the non elect, die first, are resurrected to life next (rather than judged first), and then go through judgment. So judgment, is after resurrected life.
non elect: die-------->resurrected to life------->judged-------->???die again second death??-------->???resurrected again???
Am i way off on this?? seems God does change (at least in his order) in how he deals with elect versus non elect.
any ideas??
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The DEAD aren't ressurected to LIFE. They are THE DEAD STANDING. Literaly that makes no sence, the dead CANNOT stand, but in this we are seeing tehse people are still SPIRITUALY DEAD. Then they are put through the fire of Judgement, and given life after. Death - Judgement, LIFE.
Make sence? sorry this is late lol, i thought the forums were down, or they were with me.
If this was answered, my apoligies also.
Love in Christ,
Alex
rocky:
--- Quote from: rocky on April 28, 2007, 10:02:53 AM ---
This post brings up a question i have.
We know in this verse
Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:
this seems sequential to me, die and then judgment.
Dying comes before judgment. God doesn't change; and judgment is now on house of God. So the elect must of died already if we are going through judgment now (as judgment is after death). So this death seems to me must not be a physical death, if we are already going through judgment. And this judgment must not be producing death, as judgment is after death. So the elect die first, undergo judgment, then are resurrected, never to die again.
elect: die---->judgment now (in a state of death)-------->resurrected to life.
Now, it seems to me the non elect, die first, are resurrected to life next (rather than judged first), and then go through judgment. So judgment, is after resurrected life.
non elect: die-------->resurrected to life------->judged-------->???die again second death??-------->???resurrected again???
Am i way off on this?? seems God does change (at least in his order) in how he deals with elect versus non elect.
any ideas??
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Alex writes:
The DEAD aren't ressurected to LIFE. They are THE DEAD STANDING. Literaly that makes no sence, the dead CANNOT stand, but in this we are seeing tehse people are still SPIRITUALY DEAD. Then they are put through the fire of Judgement, and given life after. Death - Judgement, LIFE.
Make sence? sorry this is late lol, i thought the forums were down, or they were with me.
If this was answered, my apoligies also.
Love in Christ,
Alex
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Rocky writes:
I understand what you are saying, but how does a physically dead person (one whose spirit returns to the Lord, flesh goes to dust, and soul ceases to exist) come to "Dead Standing" in order to be judged?
To me, it has to be through a resurrection. Like arcturus said, maybe it's a resurrection to a physical body again in order to be judged. I personally don't think this is the case. Jesus is the resurrection. I don't see after the cross, him raising people up temporarily again to physical life in order to judge them. But it is possible.
Here is what i am thinking, the second death is the second resurrection. It's a process, with a final consumation. To me this is the same as those going through the first resurrection (it is a process, now are going through it, with a consumation later). I think that is what you are saying too, by LIFE being the last thing given. The process of resurrection equals death to death=LIFE.
I just struggle with how this is done after physical death? Maybe the soul/carnal mind can exist without a physical body?? or all the people who ever died physically will be brought back to a physical life, to be judged in second death??
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