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Two resurrections; when do they take place?
rocky:
Does anyone know what Ray believes re: if people are resurrected to judgment in a physical body again, or spiritual body?
rocky:
i went ahead and emailed him. Hopefuly he will have time to respond.
Evan600:
--- Quote from: rocky on May 02, 2007, 07:24:15 AM ---
Here is what i am thinking, the second death is the second resurrection. It's a process, with a final consumation. To me this is the same as those going through the first resurrection (it is a process, now are going through it, with a consumation later). I think that is what you are saying too, by LIFE being the last thing given. The process of resurrection equals death to death=LIFE.
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This, my friend, is a very interesting thought.
God bless,
Jason
joyful1:
:-\ I gotta tell you guys that basically, these same questions that you've discussed here, have been heavy on my own heart for a couple of weeks now!
1) if flesh and blood CANNOT inherit the kingdom....then those that ARE flesh and blood after the first resurrection could exist IN THE KINGDOM....but will NOT INHERIT the kingdom.
2) if, at the end of the millennium, no one is saved still....what purpose did the elect serve in "ruling and reigning" with Christ for the thousand years?
3) Since Satan is bound during that period....how can anyone learn to be an "overcomer" during that time?
4) if a "sudden conversion" like Paul's on the road to Damascus is an example of how the Lake of Fire "transforms" people....and Paul learned to "die to self" AFTER his conversion....what about the parallel of those destined for the Lake of Fire?
and many other similar questions...
Kat...I really appreciate what you've done: categorizing the teachings on Ray's site so that we all may learn more efficiently ...but all of these questions remain in my mind and I am seeking the Lord's answers daily now....as if in a RACE....I want to KNOW the TRUTH...I hope for EYES to SEE and EARS to HEAR!
God bless you all in your diligent search of the scriptures!
Joyce :)
skydreamers:
--- Quote ---There is yet another consideration of the resurrection of the dead, and that is all the babies and young children that have died. So what age would they be raised to, if not the age of their death?
These little ones brought up from the grave will need a place to grow up, I would think physically.
If the elect are raised to rule the earth, and the resurrection of the dead is on the physical earth, why would the rest of the dead be raised spirit?
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Kat, this made me think of these verses:
Isaiah 65:17-24 ESV
17 "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy, and her people to be a gladness.
19 I will rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress.
20 No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 They shall not build and another inhabit; they shall not plant and another eat; for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be, and my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labor in vain or bear children for calamity, for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the LORD, and their descendants with them.
24 Before they call I will answer; while they are yet speaking I will hear.
I've wondered if this passage is speaking about the thousand years when the elect are ruling as Priests and Kings (my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands).
It looks like during this period, when God creates the new heavens and the new earth, people are laboring and bearing children. Yet we read here:
Mark 12:25 ESV
25 For when they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
This passage sure sounds like it would be that blissful period of the millennium when Satan is bound. I've often wondered why God would loose Satan on such a supposed utopia....and this falls into the category of Joyce's question:
--- Quote ---3) Since Satan is bound during that period....how can anyone learn to be an "overcomer" during that time?
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It looks like, with the elect and Christ ruling the nations with a rod of iron, no sin will be tolerated and perhaps will be dealt with on the spot...so in some ways the people will learn the evils of sin and repent...
But Satan's job is to destroy the flesh, to consume it:
1 Corinthians 5:5 ESV
5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh
and we know that the serpent (Satan) eats dust (man)
so, I'm thinking Satan is released to finally put an end to all flesh (whether that's literal physical flesh, or some spiritual carnality of the mind I don't know) but either way it seems Satan must complete his mission before he himself can be converted....
I just can't figure out why else God would release Satan ???
Peace,
Diana
This seems to be the never ending thread! :D
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