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Two resurrections; when do they take place?
rocky:
Back to the subject at hand, it does seem to me that Ray is thinking those in second resurrection are raised to a state of carnality to then have the carnal burned out. He never really answered my question re :would they be physical bodies. Maybe there is no clear cut answer.
What do you all think about that resurrection as not being a one moment event, but a process; so in other words the elect are being resurrected now as the carnal mind is being destroyed, yet to be fully revealed;
and the second resurrection is also a process of carnal mind being destroyed, so in other words not resurrected, then judged in LOF; but the resurrection of judgment is the LOF?
Deborah-Leigh:
Yes I think you are correct Rocky.
The Scriptures do say "Ye shall see Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the Kingdom of God." This does not mention that Christ and His Apostles will be visible in carnal form mingling with the earthly phase of the kingdom. Others will be gnashing teeth not to be part of this honor of inheriting the earth and ruling with Christ as with a rod of iron to establish judgment and knowledge of God on earth.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
Evan600:
--- Quote from: rocky on May 26, 2007, 09:41:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: rocky on May 02, 2007, 07:27:24 PM ---i went ahead and emailed him. Hopefuly he will have time to respond.
--- End quote ---
I did get an email back from Ray, here is what it said.
Rocky writes: "Hi Ray, we've been discussing on the forum re: the resurrection to judgment and LOF.
In regards to non believers/non elect, some think that those who have physically died, will be resurrected into a physical being again to under go judgment and go through second death , while others see it as a spiritual resurrection.
Wondering how you see it? thanks.
Rocky"
Ray writes:
"Dear Rocky: I do not see Saddam or his sons being resurrected or being "..raised in INCORRUPTION...raised in GLORY...raised in POWER...raised a SPIRITUAL body"
(I Cor. 15:42-44). That's heresy from the days of M.V., and I don't believe most of his "revelations."
God be with you,
Ray"
--- End quote ---
Getting a more "in depth" understanding of what in the world is going on here would be nice ;)
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
What is going on here??? This is after the thousand years were expired that Satan was loosed during. Are these Scriptures just NOT in a 1,2,3 order? I could really use some insight as to what this is about, especially after reading Ray's reply to your question.
God bless
rocky:
What messes me up is the 1000 year reign. Things make sense to me, if we look at it as elect judged now, death being swallowed up by life, as we daily die, and at the return of Christ; resurrected immortal, incorrupt.
The tares/non elect are gathered, and then go through GWT judgment and LOF.
But why the 1000 year reign in between the elect resurrection and the general resurrection??
To make things even more confusing for me, there is this verse
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
so here at the harvest, the tares are gathered first to be burned, ie: lof??
yet we have this verse in I Thess.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
and then in Revelation,
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
First resurrection is the elect, yet they are not gathered First, the tares are??
confused.
rocky:
Here are the questions i am working through.
What is the 1000 year reign for?
What is Christ doing during his reign?
Is he reigning now? Is it at a later time?
I think a key is this verse regarding his reign;
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
Seems to me, the "age" the last enemy is to be destroyed (death) is during the LOF/second death.
So it seems to me, that the reign of Christ and the destruction of death (LOF and reigning till the last enemy destroyed) could be the same thing.
Interestingly, the reign is also with the saints. And we know the saints are to judge the world.
So, I wonder is the 1000 year reign a seperate event prior to the GWT judgment/LOF, or is it a process of death being destroyed, a part of the LOF?
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
I Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
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