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Two resurrections; when do they take place?
Kat:
Hi rocky,
It seems to me you have figure out most of this already.
This thousand years is symbolic, it is not a literal period of time. I understand that it means whatever amount of time it takes, a day or a thousand years or more.
2Peter 3:8 But, beloved, let not this one thing be hidden from you, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The elect are being judged now(1peter 4:17), so they will not be jugded with the world in the Lake of fire. This judgment is purging and chastening the elect to prepare them now to reign and rule with Christ, at His return.
Rev 11:15 And the seventh messenger trumpets. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of this world became our Lord's and His Christ's, and He shall be reigning for the eons of the eons! Amen!" (CLV)
Christ returns and all the elect who have died are resurrected, those still alive are immediately changed, and they all join Christ. This is the marriage supper(Rev 19:9). This is the reward of those faithful few. None after Christ returns will reign with Him, just those who are in the first resurrection.
1Cor 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Now when Christ returns, He comes to rule and to judge the world, there does not appear to be a time lapse here.
Rev 19:11 And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
The elect join with Christ and then immediately begin the judgment on the world, this is the white throne judgment.
Christ will reign and rule over the people on the earth(Rev 5:10), this is the judgment.
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
The first part of verse 5 is spurious and omitted by the Sinaitic Manuscript.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
v. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
v. 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.
v. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,[3] and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
v. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
v. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
v. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
All those raised to physical life, I think will be resurrected much the same as before they literally died. They will be judged and have to live a physical life on the earth, where the elect will be ruling with Christ, I think the whole earth will be the Lake of fire. The people will live on earth and be purged, Christ will rule them with a rod of iron, until they have reached spiritual maturity, and then they too will be changed and given immortality.
Rev 19:11 And I saw Heaven opened. And behold, a white horse! And He sitting on him was called Faithful and True. And in righteousness He judges and makes war.
v. 12 And His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head many crowns. And He had a name written, one that no one knew except Himself.
v. 13 And He had been clothed in a garment dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
v. 14 And the armies in Heaven followed Him on white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
v. 15 And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, so that with it He should strike the nations. And He will shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the wine of the anger and of the wrath of Almighty God.
v. 16 And He has on His garment, and on His thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
The world will be a very different place when Christ rules.
Rev 21 give a description of New Jerusalem, but it is mostly speaking symbolicly. The temple is Christ and His kingdom, where the elect will be with Him. The world will be constantly aware of the presents the Christ and will began to seek Him, until every knee shall bow(Phi 2:10).
Rev 21:2 And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down from God out of Heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her Husband.
v. 3 And I heard a great voice out of Heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them and be their God.
v. 22 And I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty is its temple, even the Lamb.
v. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, nor of the moon, that they might shine in it, for the glory of God illuminated it, and its lamp is the Lamb.
v. 24 And the nations of those who are saved will walk in the light of it; and the kings of the earth bring their glory and honor into it.
v. 25 And its gates may not be shut at all by day, for there shall be no night there.
v. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honor of the nations into it.
v. 27 And there shall in no way enter into it anything that defiles, or any making an abomination or a lie; but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.
Well this is a lot of speculation on my part, but that is the way it seems to me.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
rocky:
thanks Kat, that was a helpful post.
any ideas on this
Mat 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.
so here at the harvest, the tares are gathered first to be burned, ie: lof??
seems backwards that tares are gathered first?
rocky:
also, do you see Christ as reigning now?
and do you see it possible that we are reigning now too, (but not fully revealed, only in ernest), but our life is hid in Christ, so not fully revealed??
Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
rocky:
What i was wondering/thinking, is maybe part of the way we are reigning with Christ right now and helping defeat his enemies is:
Rom 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in.
Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Rom 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
I don't know, just some thoughts running through my head.
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Rocky
Here are a few thoughts you might consider on some of your comments through your posts:
You ask : do you see Christ as reigning now?
Decidedly not. If He were would there be any doubt that He had returned? No. The scriptures declare that there will be rejection of those not received into the Kingdom. Christ Himself will tell them to Depart from Him. Has Mystery Babylon fallen yet? No. Has Mystery Babylon been told by Christ to depart from Him and now they are gnashing their teeth. No. They are still going strong and buying up jet planes on widows tithe money.
So has the full regal authority of Christ returned to earth yet? No. Those who preach that it has, profane the word of God and they neither know the word nor the power of Christ. Paul warned of this apostasy and condition of deception that the wolves would bring forward. Paul said : They have left the path of truth, claiming that the resurrection of the dead has already occurred; in this way, they have TURNED SOME PEOPLE AWAY FROM THE FAITH.
You ask : and do you see it possible that we are reigning now too, (but not fully revealed, only in ernest), but our life is hid in Christ, so not fully revealed??
What conclusion does this question point to? That salvation has come? Do you think salvation has come and that the scriptures are now fulfilled that each person destined to die once, has died? No. Each person has not died once yet. Each person is not yet raised to resurrected life and into judgment or reward. This can only happen once Christ BRINGS salvation. THEN SALVATION will appear because CHRIST IS SALVATION – HE IS THE RESURRECTION AND THE LIFE. Has He come yet? No. If He has then I missed Him and so did Ray and some others who are looking for His return with anticipation and eagerness in waiting for His return. Heb 9 : 28 …Christ will come again, not to deal with our sins, but to bring salvation to all who are eagerly WAITING FOR HIM. “We will receive our full reward at the resurrection, not while we are still in the flesh.” a very precious brother taught me. This is also fully endorsed by the Word of God.
There is serious danger of following after false teachings that say that Christ Has returned at any time in the past or the present or/and His Kingdom has come. Our Father who art in Heaven….Thy Kingdom COME…is NOT fulfilled yet.
Heb 2 : 1 So we must listen very carefully to the truth we have heard, or we may drift away from it.
You ask : What i was wondering/thinking, is maybe part of the way we are reigning with Christ right now and helping defeat his enemies is:…
We do not reign in “part” Royalty is not in part. Authority is not partial and Christ when He returns He will come in Power, Might, fierceness and the wrath of Almighty God. Has that happened yet? I don't think so.
Consider the alternative. Christ has come. He is invisible. He is reigning through Benny Hinn and Jessie Du Plantas via TBN. He is sorry He did not take Satan up on his offer to give Christ all the Kingdoms of the world. I DON’T THINK SO!
Rocky, I know you cannot hear the tone of this Post. I am not trying to defeat you or make you feel uncomfortable or challenged. What I do challenge is the heresy and the inadequacy of what Mystery Babylon has professed to be the truth and is a brazen and bold lie.
The provocation to jealousy has not yet happened to Israel and the fullness of the Gentiles has not yet come in. This is yet a work in progress and Christ will come again! We can be certain, sure and faithful to that fact as prophesied in the Word of God. No dot or title has passed away and the word remains. We too have yet to die once not in type as in the death with Christ but in reality. Everyone has to die. It has not happened yet and I do not see Abraham, or Isaac ruling on earth yet as Christ prophesied. There is so much more to this. I hope you benefit from this post.
Here are some scriptures to consider:
Rom 8: 18,19 Yet what we suffer now is nothing compared to the glory He WILL (future) reveal to us LATER. For all creation is waiting eagerly for that FUTURE DAY when God will reveal who his children really are.
2 Cor 1 : 22 And He has identified us (not that we have identified ourselves! He knows who are His and we know Him and follow His voice because of His Spirit in us) as His own by placing the Holy Spirit in our hearts as the first INSTALLMENT that guarantees EVERYTHING (not part thereof as some would confuse us to think we have already received) He has promised us.
Peace be to you as you search for the truth, you shall surely find and I hope this post has helped scrap some of the confusion. God is not a God of confusion but of love, power and a sound mind.
Arcturus
:)
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