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skydreamers:
Hi Pera, I love your writing style, very cool. 8)
I think I understand your question. Most Christians come from a teaching that they are being saved from an eternity in hell. But the wages of sin is death, not eternal burning.
Saving and salvation, in the original Greek words, also includes the definition of to heal and to make whole. You ask, "what's the point?"
Here's my take on it. God wants a family. He has a great and grand plan on how He is going to achieve this. It involves taking his children from darkness and bringing them into the full light of his knowledge, peace and love. This is a process, to take us from marred vessels and heal us and make us whole.
He wants children who will be like Him, who are the "apple of His eye". He knows exactly how to accomplish this. He would never abandon His beloved children to a fabled pit of hell, else what kind of father would He be?
There is a lot that is involved in this whole process...but the point is...God is in the process of creating His family. He needs to teach us, discipline us, and for a time subject us to futility, in order to accomplish His purpose. We may not understand all His ways and methods...but we can be sure of what His goal is: a family of brothers and sisters who will be in His image.
Hope this helps you somewhat,
Peace,
Diana
GODSown1:
hey Hi Diana,
Well 1st of all im glad sum1 likes ma style! lol!, & 2nd um!! no not really I still dont get it lol!, But! I do understand wot ur sayn, But! wen i sed "wots da point", Im like sayn well if all r guna bv saved n e wayZ Y do we hav 2 do wot we hav 2, Wen apparently we All r 2 b saved!, Im sorry! eh' I h8 sounding dum! lol!, I just cant get ma Head around it lol! its driving me nuts! 2 tell U da Truth!
Thank U all da same Diana
ps. I no u jus tryna Help lol!
Chris R:
Hello Pera,
Your question has been asked hundreds of times on this site, Why live a good life, if were all going to be saved anyway?
Then if in your heart you wish to steal, kill, destroy, lie and cheat, you have answered your own question, because these are the things you desire.
These acts however do not go un-judged, and there is comming a day of reckoning for such things.
Yes it is true salvation is a done deal, Christ came to save the world, and will accomplish the will of His Father.
That being said, "Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the Lord. "[Rom . 12-19]. These are not just idle words to be read over and forgot, All men will be Saved, but first comes Judgment.
Peace
Chris R
hillsbororiver:
Hi Pera,
Here is an e-mail (to Ray) example of what Chris mentioned;
I stumbled across your site while searching for a Bible verse. Most of your writings went WAY over my head as I am not very knowledgeable about the Bible as yet.
My question to you is very simple. (You need not go into deep detail so as not to confuse me.)
I want to know if you believe that no matter how one lives their life; no matter how "good" or "evil" they are as a human being on this planet earth, all end up with the same fate?
You got me wondering about all the people who don't even know of God so they cannot make a choice to believe or not believe. My question, however, speaks of those who are aware of "God", and who choose to live a life apart from what can be called moral and good. Now, by moral and good I basically mean following the laws of the land, and reaching out to people in need.
Thanks,
Diane
[Ray Replies]
Dear Diane:
A full answer to your question requires many pages to answer, however, I will give you the abbreviated answer.
Will all mankind eventually be saved? YES! Can they live like hell all of their lives and still go to heaven when they die? NO! There is a process. God has a plan and He is working His plan to perfection.
God does not even call all or most people to salvation in this lifetime. Even some of those who are called turn from God. And billions have never heard of Jesus Christ in the first place.
The answer is that God nowhere says that one must be saved in this life only or he can never be saved. That is a nasty little piece of heresy that is taught by the theologians of Christendom. It is a way to keep people in fear so that they keep "praying and paying."
If you read all of my paper "EXPOSING THOSE WHO CONTRADICT" you will come to the section where God prophesies the resurrection of all the dead Israelites in the book of Ezekiel. Most of Israel never obeyed or loved God. God said that they were WORST than the heathen and pagans in their religious practices. They committed every foul and evil dead and blasphemed the name of God. And yet, God says that He will resurrected them all back to life and put His spirit in them, and they SHALL KNOW Who God is. They will become God's people and God will become their God.
The same is true for ALL UNSAVED AND UNBELIEVING humanity. All humanity will be judged, chastised, and purged of their evil heart and carnal wicked mind. EVERYONE! Our Apostle Paul teaches us that we can judge ourselves NOW, and then we won't have to be judged LATER. But sooner or later, ALL WILL BE JUDGED AND PURIFIED. You can believe it. You can take it to the bank! No one will escape the judgments and chastisements of God Almighty. Jesus Christ has already paid the PENALTY for our sins, but our deceitful and wicked heart that is at the very seat of all sin, must yet be dealt with. Too bad these simple Bible Truths are not taught in the churches.
I would encourage you to read all the papers on my web site and look up ALL THE SCRIPTURES. God will guide your understanding and you will become wise in things you never thought possible.
God be with you.
Sincerely,
Ray
Kat:
Hi Pera,
In your first question you said;
--- Quote --- if u live ur life 4 GOD wholeheartedly everyday for say 5-10yrz, But! den 1 day u get that mad U kill sum1 but! den U repent! blah! blah! & start 2 live GODs way again even tho in jail, would u b still b saved,
--- End quote ---
You do realize that Christians in the church, believe that they are living whole heartedly for God, but they are the 'called' not the 'chosen', big difference.
If you were among the few chosen, living your life whole heartedly for God, you would never get mad and kill someone.
Once you truely receive the Spirit of Christ, you are judged now and chastened to overcome the pulls of the flesh.
Christ is teaching His 'chosen' to love your enemies, a spiritual commandment that the 'called' can not do.
Mat 5:43 "You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
v. 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
v. 45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Now then it matters not what you have done in your pass life when Christ does choose you. He will forgive everything you have done before, when you repent at that point.
Look at Paul, he was imprisoning and having the believers killed, when Christ came to him on the road to Damascus.
Act 8:1 And Saul(Paul) approved of his execution. And there arose on that day a great persecution against the church in Jerusalem, and they were all scattered throughout the regions of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.
v. 2 Devout men buried Stephen and made great lamentation over him.
v. 3 But Saul was ravaging the church, and entering house after house, he dragged off men and women and committed them to prison.
But he rose to be one of the chief Apostles and wrote 13 of the books in the NT.
Rom 1:1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God,
I hope this helps your understanding :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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