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Jehovah's Witnesses
skydreamers:
Hi Guys,
I too have tried entering into discussions with some door-knocking JW's. My past is SDA (seventh-day adventisit)...a couple common doctrines held by both churches is the sleep of death, and annihilation. One of the ladies, who was extrememly sweet, kept coming back, only with a different person each time. She had been JW for 20 years or so. I also gave her some papers of Ray's. I think the others really wanted nothing to do with me, but this one lady, bless her heart, she just wouldn't give up.
However, I could see she was not "hearing" what I was saying or showing her, she just kept bringing me her material and trying to show me where I was in error. The verse in 1Timothy 2:4 which reads:
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
She kept insisting that the word "all" really meant "all sorts of" men. She would not see it otherwise, no matter how many other scriptures I showed her. Eventually I realized we were just spending our time trying to convince each other....we kept going in circles.
I finally had to tell her that I was happy with where my own studies were going, and that I could just not see myself studying JW material with her any longer. She had "showed up" at my door unexpectantly with yet another eager JW who was Greek and knew the Greek language. While my JW friend understood and graciously bowed out, her Greek friend started in on me about Revelation...and all the scary things in there that I should be aware of....I didn't even go there with her. I let her rant, and then said thank you...and that was the end of that...haven't seen them since.
I feel kind of bad for ending our studies because at least the one lady kept coming back. I kept asking God if He wanted this to continue...but I really felt like she was stuck where she was and as kind as she was, she was not yet open minded.
Anyways, she has my number, and certainly knows where I live, and if she ever did have questions, she knows I would welcome them.
The whole experience did show me however, how amazingly closed people can be to even discussing the mere possibility that God is able to save all of mankind. Why is that so scary or offensive to people?
I guess it's like Ray says, "they despise the word of God". :(
Peace to you guys,
Diana
seminole:
Here's the thing.... they know what they believe just like all of the people here know what they believe. I think it was Joseph Smith(?) that they have ,to believe the writings of. Maybe, I am getting it confused with Mormons, beats me. Most of the people that I have seen here have the writings of Ray Smith that they believe in. Sounds like an unending mind battle to me. The main thing is God's word. I don't care if I have written what I believe to be an incredible paper, it does not supercede the word Of God. I think we all can agree that the folks on TBN, JW or anything else can take verses from the Bible and make it fit however you want it to. It is not usually in context but it can be done.
Seminole
gmik:
Seminole, Years ago in a Bible study we "proved" that Santa Claus does wear red!!! I saw it!! :o We had a Greek professor in our group and he actually read in Greek all the time. I don't think he owned an English Bible. And He was as Lutheran as they come! Why didn't he see this stuff, why didn't he "get It"?
Everytime I "get into" something new, I am amazed that I hadn't seen it before. So, is there something up the road in a few years that I will "get into" again?? Is there another "Ray" out there who has new, further in, revelation??
Who knows what the journey that God has for us will be. Right now, Yes, the Bible is first, but I can't understand it all bymyself. I need teachers such as Ray and many on this forum.
I have known that scripture all my life...God wills that ALL men be saved....did I believe it?? No. But God chose Ray to show it to me. Do I believe it now?? You betcha!! Just because Ray said so??? No, from studying it out for myself, from counsel of wise people, from reading and re reading, praying, comparing, searching, you know, what we all do! The Spirit bears witness too.
I can't recall why I got off on all that...I was just going to comment that all people and religions do have their own take on scripture. But someone has to be right. ;)
skydreamers:
--- Quote ---I have known that scripture all my life...God wills that ALL men be saved....did I believe it?? No. But God chose Ray to show it to me. Do I believe it now?? You betcha!! Just because Ray said so??? No, from studying it out for myself, from counsel of wise people, from reading and re reading, praying, comparing, searching, you know, what we all do! The Spirit bears witness too.
--- End quote ---
Amen Gena!
GODSown1:
hey hi ya all,
um! I been tryna hold off on askn dis Question But!! I keep gettn askd it & I cant really answer it, Here goes!. If all man is 2 b saved, wots da point? if all r 2 b saved! I cant understand it, if u live ur life 4 GOD wholeheartedly everyday for say 5-10yrz, But! den 1 day u get that mad U kill sum1 but! den U repent! blah! blah! & start 2 live GODs way again even tho in jail, would u b still b saved, Im not tryna b funny or difficult its just d@ I really wanna Know!!, I love da fact I cum across dis syte of Rays, Buts its tryna understand fings fully. The ALL r 2 b saved is a hard 1 to xsplain 2 pple especially wen I cant xsplain it But! 4 sum reason I believe it, probably bcoz its TRUE!!, aye?. lol!
muchLOVE! 2 all Pera
ps. PlezZ! help me understand lol!
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