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nmendes:


 
I want to know if Mystery Bablyon symbolizes Jerusalem or Christendom???  Also, I know there are many Ministres out there (for ex. John Hagee Ministeries) that strongly support Jerusalem and Israel.  As Christians who are under the New Covenant should we have the same support for these two countries???

Thanks
Nicole

chuckt:
lots on this subject.

babylon = babel, which literally means confusion by mixing.


at the tower of babel lauguage was confused and so it is today with Gods word. christians confused my translations.


we are born into babylon, we are taught from the craddle, false doctrine, bugs bunny hell and from the pulpit. when we get
old enough we then proceed to read Gods word from that perspective. only when we cry out for truth will  Christ open the scriptures to us. in HIS time ;-] :-*

christianity is also mixed with egyption and greek mythology. >:(


i see it as the world is MB, and all the things in it, confusion. educational, political, finacial, and especially religious
as for jerusalem:

Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies [shall lie] in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.



i will leave it here for now and let others add.

love and blessings in YESHUA
chuckt

YellowStone:
Hi Nichole,

You ask a good question, and you will get a different answer depending on which "church" you ask.

However, you asked for Scriptual truth. :)  Here is a very short answer from Ray:

http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2488.0.html

Ray,
 
who or what is Mystey, Babolyn the Great
 

Dear Morgan:
It's the Christian Church across the street; the one down the block, the one across town; in the next town; the ones across the whole country;  and those around the whole world.
God be with you,
Ray
The following words found in Revelation give great testament to this.

Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Who and what are they to come out of. Well, it is the people who believe in the teachings of thechurch (any church), "knowing" in their hearts that the teachings are lies and decietful. Clearly, this Scripture is not just refering to physically going to church, it also means removing oneself from the captive "teachings" of the church.

This is not easy, and sometimes God has to drag one out kicking and screaming. That you are here, posting such a question is a great start. :)

Love in Christ,
Darren

seminole:
God isn't going to force you to come out of, go into , etc. anything. The verse says "come out" not I'm going to drag your sorry tail out. just come out. You can come out or stay in. We all can. I came out because I wanted a changed life. Did the Holy Spirit tug at my heart? You bet! Could I have fought against the tug? You bet! Could I embrace the sacrifice of Jesus and His love for me? You bet! That is what I did. You can call it cause and effect, circumstances or whatever but I know that my life changed because of Jesus Christ. I am grateful to every person that crossed my path and told me of Jesus' love for me. These guys used to go down the street downtown. They were preachers I guess. We had different groups in town and whatever group you were part of had their own place on the street they hung at. No one crossed the boundary into another groups territory. We hung on our corner drinking and partying. These preacher guys walked into each territory and tried to give us tracts. I was always polite to them and told them I appreciated the effort but I wouldn't read their tract so give it to someone who would. They made the effort to reach us. I don't forget that. Now my life is different from those days. I quit all the habits without counseling or groups but with God in my life.Not to put down those things, they are very needed for so many people. All of that is why I don't get the thing here with putting down churches and Christians. Churches and Christian people were part of what opened my eyes and heart. I don't have nothing but love in my heart for all those who touched my life. Those guys walking the block were brave, more than we were. We wouldn't even cross territories but they were brave enough to take that chance.

Kat:

Hi seminole,

Here is an email that explains about coming to Christ.

http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3580.0.html --------

 Hi Ray,
     
    I hope this doesn't take too much of your time, or that I'm about to ask a question that's too big for an email, but I was wondering if there's any significance in the difference of the greek word helkyo which in every instance it's used in the NT means "drag," meaning God "drags(helkyo)"us to Christ,  Peter drew(helkyo) a net full of fish, and the greek word engizo which means "draw nigh," and is used in Heb 7:19 "..by which we draw nigh(engizo) to God," and James 2:8 "Draw nigh(engizo) to God and he will draw nigh(engizo)to you?"
    I guess what I'm wondering is that when God drags us to Christ, does the use of engizo mean that men are STILL responsible for drawing nigh to Him? Does God drag us just so far enough to Christ to where WE are required to draw nigh the rest of the way? Is this what preachers and missionaries mean when they say that we must "accept(choose)" Christ?  This is a problem for me, as I can see using this argument to prove that we must indeed "accept" Jesus to be saved.
     
    Thank you,
    Derrick
     

    Dear Derrick:
    The truth of John 6:44 does not rely on the proper meaning of  "draw/drag/pull/push," etc. Yes, we "accept" Christ, but not of our own DOING. It is God's doing:  "For it is GOD which works in us both to will AND TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13). The first part of the verse makes this abundantly clear before ever coming to the word "draw":  "NO MAN C-A-N come to Me...." There is your answer.  And so, NO, God does not drag us "just so far" and the rest is entirely up to us. It is ALL OF GOD, but we do and perform all that God desires and pre-ordains.
    God be with you,
    Ray
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat

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