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The Spirit Gives Life
skydreamers:
Hi Kat, great post!
--- Quote ---I think at some point all of the chosen come to realize they can not do it on there on, you know you need something more and that is the Holy Spirit. Maybe that is only fully realized after we have received the Spirit, but the difference is profound.
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Jesus introduces the "fire" in His Sermon, but says nothing of this "Holy Spirit." They will see the need for both near the end of their training with Jesus, but none of them comprehended the need for Holy Spirit AND fire during their spiritual apprenticeship under the Master Teacher.
The problem was never with the Law, but with the people:
"O that there were such an HEART in them, that they would fear Me, and keep all My commandments always..." (Deut. 5:29).
The problem was never with God's Law, but with the peoples' heart-they were carnal, and when one is carnal, he cannot keep a "spiritual" law:
"For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be" (Rom. 8:6-7).
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Recently I had the opportunity to share some things with my brother. He's at least beginning to question some things, but mostly he's still entrenched in church teaching. He told me grace is about God doing whatever part we are unable to do...so if we can only do 10%, God does the other 90%. I've heard this preached before in several sermons. It is so hard when you are in a church not to just parrot what you've been told by a pastor. They tell you that you need the Holy Spirit to change, but at the same time you must do "something" to even "get" the Holy Spirit.
So while we are learning something about Jesus while in the Church, it strikes me that the most integral knowledge about Jesus is missing, or twisted. And the struggle of trying to figure out what it is that you must do to know more, and be a "better Christian" is endless. (I'm so excited (and jealous ;) ) for all of you who get to hear Ray talk about who is Jesus and where did he come from!...can't wait to hear the audios)
Thankfully I am out of the vicious cycle of having to figure out the Church's "square circles" and can now simply rest in God's Sovereignty. :)
Peace, Diana
Kat:
Hi Diana,
--- Quote ---So while we are learning something about Jesus while in the Church, it strikes me that the most integral knowledge about Jesus is missing, or twisted. And the struggle of trying to figure out what it is that you must do to know more, and be a "better Christian" is endless.
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As I look back, now I can see how the church is blinded. I was right there in the church blinded for many years too.
But when Christ gives you eyes to see, it's like you had really poor eyesight all those years and He gave you spiritual glasses. Now you can see things clearly, for the first time you can actually look at things(spiritual things) and see them and have knowledge of the truth.
But everybody else in the church haven't got their glasses yet, so even if you tell them, they can't make it out, it's just a blur.
One day everybody will be given sight and then all will have knowledge of the truth.
I love these scripture.
Isa 11:9 They shall not hurt or destroy in all my holy mountain; for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.
Hab 2:14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD as the waters cover the sea.
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
YellowStone:
Kat,
You make a very good point when you said:
But when Christ gives you eyes to see, it's like you had really poor eyesight all those years and He gave you spiritual glasses. Now you can see things clearly, for the first time you can actually look at things(spiritual things) and see them and have knowledge of the truth.
But everybody else in the church haven't got their glasses yet, so even if you tell them, they can't make it out, it's just a blur.
I never bought into the whole hell, torture, rapture, instant anglehood upon death, etc theories of the church. Even, tithing was seen for what it was...a guilt trip if you gave less than the Jones. :)
So I guess I always had spiritual glasses. However, I think mine were blury, while the church had none. I say this because, I could see enough to "see" a lie, but I could not see enough to find truth anywhere! :(
I simply did not know what I was looking for, although I was sure I would know it the moment I "saw" it. Well of course, as I grew, my spiritual glasses became clearer and clearer. I could spot a spiritual fallacy a mile off. :)
But I still "thought" I was missing something; there was something I just could not see!
Then it hit me, I did not have to search for it "out there" but rather look inside myself; deep inside. The Spirit of Truth was already inside me; I suddenly realized that I was searching for something that wasn't lost. Only then did the spiritual glasses allow me to really begin to see. And even today, every day, they become clearer still.
Well it was a lonely walk with God, friends could not "see" what I was seeing; they couldn't believe what the Spirit allowed me to KNOW; actually they could only believe what they could not see or understand. They were "told" what to believe. :(
This is how it was with me, I would be intrested to hear how the story of the journey from darkeness to light was with others. :)
Thanks for your post,
Your brother in Christ,
Darren
skydreamers:
Hey Kat, I like your analogy of the glasses...very cool 8)
Darren, I don't think I was like you being able to "see" a lie...there were times things didn't quite make sense to me, but I always thought it was because I hadn't studied it enough and so I just didn't "get it". Fortunately, this is exactly what I began to do, study out the doctrines I was being taught, and scripturally I began to see things were not right with what I was being taught. I was still fumbling through scripture though, not quite sure how to connect the dots, until I came across bibletruths.com and saw how Ray lays it out so succinctly. Since then I am amazed at the seeming leaps and bounds I've made in "seeing" things less blurry....I know others have had that experience of reading the same scripture you've read many times before, but you still say..."why didn't I see that before???" Very mysterious, the ways and means of how God keeps us blind until the right time...
Peace,
Diana
Deborah-Leigh:
Hello Darren
Darren
You comment : Then it hit me, I did not have to search for it "out there" but rather look inside myself; deep inside. The Spirit of Truth was already inside me;
Do you mean that the Spirit of Truth entered you without you knowing it like when yet you were still a sinner looking "outside" your self the Spirit of Truth came in and you only found out later?
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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