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seminole:
John I understand what you are saying. The tithe money comment disturbed me and I don't see the point of making it. Losing someone dear to your heart is awful. Hearing of a death of someone we don't know personally will give us pause but not have the same impact. I don't think we can go around heartbroken with sadness or so full of rage over an injustice because we wouldn't be effective to do what God gifted us to do. I got so mad today I was in a rage and had to haul myself back down. A work-out buddy called to tell me about a little baby that was put in a microwave oven and turned on! That babies dad did it! I can't imagine how the family (grandparents, etc.) are feeling right now. Even though it's not like Jesus, I did think how sweet it would be to throw the switch on that one.
Seminole
Ward:
Yes, Jerry Falwell has died...
Yes, the earthly life he just completed was just as God had determined from the beginning.
Its obvious that one of the jobs he was given in this life was to teach the "strong delusion," to millions of the "Many Called." He accomplished this in many ways, including:
* Founding and leading a large church...
* Founding and leading a large university...
* Creating and leading the "Moral Majority"...
* Advising many world leaders...
He was very very successful... His church and his university alone taught hundreds of thousands of others to carry forward "his" message. "His" message instead of Christ's. (A message that is "instead" of Christ's, where have I heard that before? Oh yeah... That's the definition of ANTI Christ.)
His title was Rev... 2,000 years ago it would have been Pharisee.
He was a sinner, just as we all are... But he has left hundreds of thousands (maybe millions) of followers behind. These followers will carry forward "his" message. That is the problem.
Should we pray for his family? Of course! But pray for what? Comfort? Yes... But more importantly, pray that the strong delusion that they all exist in will be lifted. And pray for the rest of the world that will be evangelized by his huge number of followers.
Should we speak out against him? Naw... Most of us were like him in one way or another at one time. Until we were made ready, we were not drawn to the truth nor could we understand or accept it.
What should we do? Anything? Yes...
* Pray for those that have not been given eyes to see and ears to hear.
* Be thankful that we have been given the gifts of faith, sight, and hearing.
* And most of all, boldly live our lives obedient to God and study to be ready to answer those that will be drawn to us. That is how we can worship God.
\/\/ard
INDIANA-P:
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;[/color][/quote]
It sounds pretty foul to me to see you try to link your bitter and vengeful comments with the mind of Christ. Jesus loved the man enough to pay for his redemption... how dare you imply otherwise?
blessings,
- John
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Hello, John I apologize if you think my comments were full of bitterness and vengeful. I assure you that this was not my goal. But lets be careful, YOU! I believe is my brother not JF. so let us not sin against one another, I never said that I did not love JF and of course Jesus died for him and also us. There are two types of love, the love that Jesus had for the Scribes and or the Pharisees, is also the love I had for JF.
Brother L. Ray teaches the difference between the two types of love.
But here is what Brother L. Ray taught concerning the ministry of Jesus
Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, a generation of snakes," and many such epithets? Jesus called them "hypocrites" seven times in one chapter. Jesus spoke with scathing derision to the Scribes and Pharisees throughout His ministry He had a kind word but for very few of them.
INDIANA-P:
--- Quote from: seminole on May 17, 2007, 07:02:39 PM ---John I understand what you are saying. The tithe money comment disturbed me and I don't see the point of making it. Losing someone dear to your heart is awful. Hearing of a death of someone we don't know personally will give us pause but not have the same impact. Seminole
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Hello, seminole
I am sorry if my comment disturbed you and you did not see the point.
I really didn't mean anything by it, it was just a remminder that this man according to what we've learned on bible-truth.com was wicked. and yes Losing someone dear to you is an awful thing. Please forgive me.
mari_et_pere:
Interesting to see how this thread panned out. I think we are (hopefully at least) in agreement that for whatever reason it is, God's will was for "JF" to die when he did and how he did. It was also His will for JF to do all the things that he did during his lifetime. It really honestly doesn't matter what the things were. I agree with pretty much everything you all have described him as, but it doesn't matter. I'm sure his family is emotionally suffering right now. At least they think he's in heaven so I'm sure that's a comfort to them. When I see him I'm sure me and him will get along just fine in the glory of God, amen?
Matt
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