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kudeta:
--- Quote from: INDIANA-P ---Hello, John I apologize if you think my comments were full of bitterness and vengeful. I assure you that this was not my goal. But lets be careful, YOU! I believe is my brother not JF. so let us not sin against one another,
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Accepted, of course, and my apologies to you. "Bitter and vengeful" were very inappropriate words for me to use. I am sorry I twisted an attempt at correction into insult.
But I'd like you to see what made me angry.
When you make a statement that Jesus is compassionate toward "the people" and not the "religious folk" right next to a statement that God loves some things and hates others, it does pretty strongly imply that Jesus hates "religious folk."
I'm sure you can see why it would upset me to have the Mind of Christ linked with such a terrible thought.
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--- Quote from: Brother L. Ray ---Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, "fools, hypocrites, blind guides, whited sepulchers, a generation of snakes," and many such epithets? Jesus called them "hypocrites" seven times in one chapter. Jesus spoke with scathing derision to the Scribes and Pharisees throughout His ministry He had a kind word but for very few of them.
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Harsh language is appropriate for correction, for exposing heresy. We have every right, even a duty, to do our best to champion truth and fight false doctrines. But there should be a definite seperation between our treatment of false teachings and those who teach them. To suggest that Falwell's family will consider wealth a consolation for his death is mean-spirited, not corrective.
--- Quote from: Brother L. Ray, later in that paper ---It is possible to condemn the sinful actions and teachings of men without hating the men who commit these things. Jesus loved everyone. Jesus died for everyone. Jesus forgave everyone. Jesus forgave those who crucified Him before He expired and probably thousands of years before most of them will repent in judgment.
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blessings,
- John
seminole:
No apologies needed .
Seminole
josh:
Kudeta (John),
Here a few scriptures that you may want to consider:
Ecc 3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
Ecc 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
Ecc 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;
Ecc 3:4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
Ecc 3:5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
Ecc 3:6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
Ecc 3:7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
Ecc 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
God most certainly does "hate" those who are a false witness and speak lies... and those who sow discord among the brethren. Which is a perfect definition of "religious folks"...
Isa 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.
Isa 66:3 He that killeth an ox is as if he slew a man; he that sacrificeth a lamb, as if he cut off a dog's neck; he that offereth an oblation, as if he offered swine's blood; he that burneth incense, as if he blessed an idol. Yea, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delighteth in their abominations.
What we must be careful of is pointing the finger at others and labeling them "religious"... when we ourselves are still bound by the teachings of babylon.
We must look inward... the Kingdom of God is WITHIN!
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
The problem with most people (including us here on this forum) is that we too often read the scriptures giving ourselves the benefit of the doubt, while looking at others and seeing their shortcomings.
We are all blind... but God is changing that.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eye salve, that thou mayest see.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
God's Peace
Josh
kudeta:
--- Quote from: In Medias Res ---
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Pro 6:18 A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
God most certainly does "hate" those who are a false witness and speak lies... and those who sow discord among the brethren. Which is a perfect definition of "religious folks"...
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Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Now, if we read these verses in the way you are reading the ones you quoted from Proverbs, our conclusion must be that God most certainly does hate everyone. Is that your understanding? That God most certainly does hate all of us?
blessings,
- John
YellowStone:
John you wrote:
Psalm 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
Now, if we read these verses in the way you are reading the ones you quoted from Proverbs, our conclusion must be that God most certainly does hate everyone. Is that your understanding? That God most certainly does hate all of us?
Let me first ask a question :)
Have you ever loved a person yet hated what th?ey do? I know I have.
Do you think that God feels the same way?
For we can know without doubt that God loves us. :)
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
1Jo 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son [to be] the propitiation for our sins.
So John, I do not think God would hate his creation, that simply does not make sense, but I can certainly see why he would hate our evil / carnal nature. :)
Does that make sense?
Love in Christ,
Darren
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