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seminole:
I think all the above can apply to just about everybody. From the richest to the poorest, from a church leader to a church attender and to the forum as well. There is something in human beings that make us want to be "right". I don't know if it feeds our self-esteem or what to have people support what we say and agree with what we say. There are so many denominations whether they are in a church or on-line because we don't all agree so people split off to their own theologies so they will be surrounded with people in agreement with the thoughts and beliefs of their interpretation of the Scriptures. That is not said to put anyone down but just an observation of us all. The main thing is what Jesus came for , the love and mecy He showed and His instructions for the early church(believers) to go about doing.
Seminole
mari_et_pere:
Amen to that Seminole! It's basic human nature to not want to be argued or disagreed with. What we don't realize sometimes also is that two people with two seperate opinions can both be right. Right? I like chocolate, others like vanilla. Who's wrong? Obviously it's not always quite that simple, but as Jesus was a pacifist, so shall I be. Well okay I'll at least try. Okay, okay! I'll try really hard. :-\ ::)
Matt
p.s. To be 100% purely honest, I really don't mind if someone disagrees with me. You know what I hate though? Being insulted for what I said. There's no place for that in the body of Christ, IMHO.
Have a great day!!
kudeta:
--- Quote from: In Medias Res ---We are in agreement... there is not a soul who has ever walked the face of this earth, save Jesus Christ, who has, is or will be able to depart completely from inquity in the physical.
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We are certainly in agreement about this. :)
--- Quote from: In Medias Res ---I think I am beginning to understand our miscommunication... when I "single out" religious folks, I am not only referring to JF and others like him... I am referring to all who believe that they have "the answer"... that can include even the members of this forum, even you and I... God forbid, you or I or anyone else here would ever think that we have all of the answers and believe that we are in need of nothing while we are yet poor, wretched, naked and blind.
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The problem I have with terminology like this is that it is so vague it might actually make communication harder. Would you include atheists as "religious folk" when they think they have "the answers"? How about people who wouldn't say they know the answer, but claim that's because the answers are unknowable? That's a kind of answer, but is it "religious"? The more things we throw in - the larger the definition gets - the less useful the words become.
--- Quote from: In Medias Res ---Let's look at the passage from proverbs again, verse by verse:
Pro 6:16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
Is it not the "religious folks" who are so proud of all of their false knowledge? Is it not the "religious folks" whose tongues are filled with lies motivated for their own gain? Is in not "the religious folks" who are so quick to say "an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth"?
Pro 6:18 A heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Is it not the "religious folks" who devise wicked imaginations (plans that are self motivated)? Is it not the "religious folks" who are always surrounded by controversy and scandal?
Pro 6:19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.
Is it not the religious folks that speak lies and deny the truth... is it not the "religious folks" who cannot keep the peace in their own churches?
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It is the religious folk doing these things, but also everyone else. Every person carries burdens of pridefulness, deceit, and hatred.
--- Quote from: In Medias Res ---Now, that all being said... let me say that I am not stating this to point the finger at anyone else but myself... I have been all of these things. I am still unbecoming all of these things. I am the "religious folks" who God hates... but one day I too will be redeemed, and I wait eagerly for that day.
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Ditto. :)
blessings,
- John
Pax Vobiscum:
Last week, Billy Graham; now, Jerry Falwell. Here we go again attacking another brother who has the audacity to see things differently than some of us.
Under what authority are such claims made?
Please stop.
Peace
mari_et_pere:
--- Quote ---Last week, Billy Graham; now, Jerry Falwell. Here we go again attacking another brother who has the audacity to see things differently than some of us.
Under what authority are such claims made?
Please stop.
Peace
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No offense, but this thread has turned into a pretty good discussion that's totally unrelated to Jerry Falwell. I'm not sure why you're taking offense and asking us to please stop. We've had discussions about character assassination for days now and I think we've all been in agreement about it. Have you read the recent posts? Everyone's done a pretty good job of not arguing or offending lately. Have you noticed?
Peace indeed.
Matt
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