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'Brother' in scripture
Deborah-Leigh:
Darren I can not give you understanding of where I am coming from.
For those or any who might be catching my drift, I am NOT saying what Darren presents.
Suffice to say that to love the Lord your God is the prelude( ie is the first or introduction to loving one another AS CHRIST has loved us. Christ loved God the Father with all His being as we should love Christs Father with all our being and then we will find we are more like Christ who loved us enough to lay down His life for His friends. There is no greater friend that ANYONE can have than Christ and to put Christ first as our role model is the way to please the Father.
Matt 22:37 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. (For me, The LORD our God IS Christ.) This is the great, most important principal and first commandment. 39 And a SECOND is LIKE IT: (not the first principal first commandment but the one LIKE or the IMAGE OF THE PRINCIPLE FIRST COMMANDMENT ) You shall love your NEIGHBOUR as you do your SELF. (Not you should love whoever says they are your neighbour or claims to be your neighbour....NOT THAT neighbour... ;D :D but the neighbour who is YOUR neighbour because they are YOUR neighbour...know what I mean.. :D ;D You do not regard or agree or imitate the Pope or the leaders in Mystery Babylon. Either man is your leader or Christ who is Spirit is the reason for your being. God the Father was the source, first principle and greatest love of Christ. HE, Christ Jesus set the example we are to follow. That is what I am trying to do. ;D :D)
Peace to you
Arcturus
PS Darren I will not debate or argue one scripture, not one dot or tittle! ;D :D Think about where YOU are standing and NOT where I am COMING FROM! ;D :D That might help some but it will not be up to me if it does or doesn't! :D
skydreamers:
Darren and Arcturus,
oh boy, this may be a big mistake getting in the middle of you two ;). I sincerely am not trying to take sides, but I do think I can see what Arcturus is saying. How I received it is this way:
Christ comes first in all aspects, including brotherhood. When a person is revealing the character of Christ, the very mind of Christ, and we call that person brother, we are first and foremost calling Jesus brother, because it is Jesus' life being lived in that brother. That is, at least, how I understood Arcturus statement:
--- Quote ---For me there is only ONE Brother or Sister and THAT IS CHRIST in whomever is revealing HIM. My connection is to HIM.
--- End quote ---
Darren, I am not sure why you are asking Arcturus this question:
--- Quote ---Are you saying that you do not acknowledge fellow spiritual brothers and sisters in Christ?
--- End quote ---
Seems to me Arcturus is acknowledging fellow spiritual brothers and sisters in Christ on this forum all the time. Her many edifying posts to others bears this out, so I'm confused as to the intent of your question? I think I'm missing something ???
As for me personally, Darren, I was like you when I went to church...the whole "calling each other brother and sister thing" weirded me out and I never did it. For me also, this forum is the first place I've felt comfortable even using those terms, but I think it's more because this place "feels" like family. I recognize that it is a rare person who has come to a place where they truly express at all times the mind of Christ. I know I have a very long way to go! But I think we recognize in each other that we are all seeking and yearning to have the mind of the true Christ....and many people in the church are sadly following "another Jesus", though they may be unaware of it.
I'm happy to call you guys "family". By the way Darren and Arcturus, I actually learn a lot from some of your debating posts....so I hope neither of you take offense to me offering my 2 cents ;) :)
Peace,
Diana
Kat:
Hi Darren,
There seems to be a bit of tension, let me see if I can help.
I don't see the problem you have with Arcturus first post, you ask;
--- Quote ---Are you saying that you do not acknowledge fellow spiritual brothers and sisters in Christ?
--- End quote ---
You came to think this by this statement from Arcturus right?
--- Quote ---For me there is only ONE Brother or Sister and THAT IS CHRIST in whomever is revealing HIM. My connection is to HIM. Paul showed in his writings that this was the intention and plan and purpose of Christ that we would eventually come to recognise HIM and that we might develop until we ALL attain oneness in the full and accurate knowledge of the SON OF GOD. Eph 4:13
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It seems to me that the previous pargraph explained that.
--- Quote ---As I meet up with each others differences I have come to realise there are no brothers and sisters amongst our SELVES. There are far too many imperfections in the vessels. I recognise brotherhood and sisterhood only where there is Christ made visible in the vessel of honour that is accepting and following in Christs ways, mind and spirit.
--- End quote ---
Doesn't this say "I recognise brotherhood and sisterhood...in Christ."
I may be wrong, but that is what it said to me :)
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
YellowStone:
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Thanks Kat!!!!!! :)
I truly missed these words that Arcturus wrote!
As I meet up with each others differences I have come to realise there are no brothers and sisters amongst our SELVES. There are far too many imperfections in the vessels. I recognise brotherhood and sisterhood only where there is Christ made visible in the vessel of honour that is accepting and following in Christs ways, mind and spirit.
I can truthfuly say that I read and reread the post a number of times, even prayed for understanding and meditated on it :)
I can say also that I feel wonderful that God has chosen to bring me to understanding in this way! :)
Arcturus, please forgive my blindness; but, know that I can see "clearly" now! :)
Kat, thank you, thank you, thank you!
Love to you both in Christ,
Your brother,
Darren
sansmile:
Amen Kat,
You saw what i saw in Arcturus's post (but i was in work and couldn't respond)
God Bless
Sandie
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