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Jrila:
act 5:3-4 then peter said, "ananias, how is it that satan has filled your heart that u have lied to the holy spirit and have kept youreself some of the money you recieved for the land? didn't it belong to you before it was sold? and after it was sold, wasnt the money at  yore disposal? what made you do such a thing? you have not lied to men but to God!so when we lie to the holy spirit were lying to God!!!! when we grieve the holy spirit were grieving God!!! :)

kudeta:
The Holy Spirit is God, yes.

The Holy Spirit isn't a "third person of the triune God, coequal, coeternal with the Father and the Son."

Jrila:
kudeta-

thanx for responding!!! listen brother if the holy spirit is god why is he not coequal and coeternal?

i want to show u two verses that may explain.

hebrew 9:14-how much more, then, will the blood of christ, who through the eternal spirit offered himself unblemished to god, cleanse or coinscience from acts that lead to death,so that we may serve the living god!

now lets read 1john 5:7 for there are thre that bare record in heaven, the father, the son, and the holy spirit:and these three are one!

thank u brother god bless!!!

Robin:
Here is one of Ray's papers that may interest you Jrila.

Is God a Closed TRINITY or an Open FAMILY?
[A Scriptural Refutation of the Trinity Theory]

http://bible-truths.com/trinity.html

kudeta:

--- Quote from: Jrila ---thanx for responding!!! listen brother if the holy spirit is god why is he not coequal and coeternal?
--- End quote ---

Your reading is selective.  "He" is not coequal because "He" is not a person.

As I answered you in the other Trinity thread:


--- Quote from: kudeta ---I think you misunderstand the point about the "Trinity."  The Holy Spirit is sometimes a way of referring to God, a manifestation of God.  It is in no sense an additional being.

When God manifests as a Burning Bush, and as a Pillar of Cloud, do we point and say, "Oh, look!  A Fourth and Fifth being that comprise God!  I guess we've got a Holy Pentity!"?

Of course we don't, because there's simply no reason to do so.  The Burning Bush and Pillar of Cloud, just like the Holy Spirit, are never discussed as being distinct Beings from YHWH.
--- End quote ---

Re: 1 John 5:7:

The paper M.G. just cited speaks quite specifically to this:


--- Quote from: L. Ray Smith ---First of all we must dispense with I John 5:7 which reads in the King James Version

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

There is a problem with this verse. The words that I typed in bold print are not Scripture. They should NOT be in the Bible. There are many Bibles that do not contain these words. Here are a few:

The Concordant Literal New Testament: "...seeing that three there are that are testifying, the spirit, and the water, and the blood, and the three are for the one thing."

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures: "For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement."

A New Translation by James Moffatt: "The witnesses are three, the Spirit and the water and the blood, and the three of them are in accord."

The Emphatic Diaglott: "For there are three which testify; the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and the three are of one."

The Emphatic Diaglott has a footnote:

"This text concerning the heavenly witnesses [as found in some versions] is NOT contained in ANY Greek manuscript which was written earlier than the 15th century. It is not cited by ANY of the Greek ecclesiastical writers; nor by ANY of the early Latin fathers..."

The Holy Bible--New Catholic Version: "For there are three that bear witness [in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness on earth]: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three are one."

The brackets are supplied by the translators. This version also has a footnote:

"According to the evidence of many manuscripts, and the majority of commentators, these verses should read: ‘For there are three that bear witness: the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three are one.’ The Holy See reserves to itself the right to pass finally on the origin of the present reading."

The New Testament from 26 Translations: Footnote, page 1183:

"The words between ‘bear record’ (verse 7) and ‘the spirit’ (verse 8) are now recognized as not adequately supported by original manuscripts."

As those words were hand written in a copy of a manuscript as late as the 15th century and do not appear in ANY Greek manuscript, they have no place in the inspired Word of God.

--- End quote ---

Blessings,
 - John

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