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Is there any truths coming out of the present apostate church today?
mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: seminole on May 22, 2007, 01:36:27 PM ---I think what is right is Jesus dying for our sins. His mercy and grace on us all. Helping others no matter what and basically treating others like you wanted to be treated. I don't think all churches are like this but the one I go to is. I think too it is a great time set aside for singing praise to God and learning about the walk on this earth that Jesus walked and how we should try to do the same. Hope this is not offensive. I am kind of afraid of mentioning church stuff here because I know it is a big issue.
Seminole
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Thanks for responding. I think yes they will say Jesus died for all of our sins. But if billions will not be saved in the end, but will spend eternity in hell with no hope of getting out while a few end up floating in clouds in heaven watching the events below, then to me what difference does it make to the billions that Jesus died for the sins of the world. It's meaningless.
His mercy and grace on us all you say. Will the billions say that while being made extra crispy from the heat in hell ? Is that God's mercy and grace on us all?
Then you say treating others how you want to be treated. Does Christendom really love their enemies ? Do good to those who persecute you ? I have been kicked out of a few churches in my time for not agreeing with their doctrines and traditions of men. See what happens when they find out you don't believe in free will, hell, tithing, the set up of the modern clergy, the trinity etc. You aren't going to get love and understanding. You're going to get the boot.
You say we should try to do the same as far as the way Jesus walked etc. I have learned that the Christian life is unlivable. Really ! I have tried along with many others and failed. It is not I who live but Christ that lives in me. We must die to the flesh. So many ( including me ) tried to live and imitate Christ by the flesh and it doesn't work. I can't and will never be like Tiger Woods on the golf course. How can I even begin to think I can be like Jesus in life. I am slowly being transformed to Christ likeness and it has everything to do with Him. When I finally gave up He took over.
Singing praises ? Do we know what we are singing about ? Half the time when I went to the church building I didn't understand what I was singing about. How would God like it if we all sang that end of the verse in one of the hymns that said "Blessed Trinity. " If the trinity doctrine isn't true. Just some thoughts.
mrsnacks:
I wanted to add one thing which is very important. I now see the blindness of others. I was there and I still have my blind spots I am sure.
I feel for them. They don't know what they are doing.They really think they are right and know. And I see it is by God's grace that I do see. And I have talked to a few that have been very receptive and open and God has and is using me and that is a blessing. I am thankful that God is revealing His truths to me. And I in turn will share with others if they ask or seem open. God is the one that opens the eyes and ears.
Joey Porter:
I think the mainstream church does teach some truths but they are not whole truths because they're sprinkled with error.
For instance - The church certainly believes in the resurrection of Christ - but they don't really believe He actually died.
Many churches believe and teach that God is sovereign but also teach that man has free will.
Conversely, many believe in and preach God's sovereignty and man's lack of free will, but they also believe He has pre-ordained the majority of mankind to be tormented forever. Yet they insist He is love.
And so forth and so on.
mrsnacks:
Good points made.
I look at it this way. Take rat poison for example. They say that 98 % of it's contents are good for you and won't hurt you. It's the 2% in it that will kill you.
jER:
I have often thought that 66.6 percent of what is taught in a church building per se, is of man, and not of the Holy Spirit. Unfortunately, they wear nice sweaters made of sheep’s wool.
Could it be the church has not only lost its ability to discern truth from error, but also to discern the true sheep from the wolves?
“Man cannot comprehend the existence of error; when he is too deeply immersed in it.”
Sort of like the frog in the water.
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