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Does Christendom worship a false god ?
mrsnacks:
I remember in my former apologetic classes it was taught to me that the Muslims do worship a false god and not the God of the Scriptures. The same went for the the Mormons and the present day Judaism.Yes Judaism. IN the Word it says that if one rejects the Son - then that one rejects the Father.
So my question is about Christendom. Do they worship a different god or worship the true God but are in error of who He really is ?
In an analogy I would say if someone comes up to me and said they saw my wife the other day and had lunch with her. Then would explain that my wife was 6' tall and with blond hair. My wife is 5'3" and has black hair so what would my conclusion be ? That person doesn't know my wife and she has the wrong person. So when Christendom says that God send people to hell. That The Holy Spirit is a person etc. Are they just mistaken and have the true God ? I think that I have always prayed to the true God even though I have been in error of who He is.
Kat:
Hi mrsnacks,
Do you really think it is enough to know of Christ? I think that Christ must know us. And He knows us because the Father has given those He chose to Christ.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them. I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
If the Father drags us to Christ, then the Holy Spirit is given and we are in Christ and He is us.
Col 1:27 For to them God would make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the nations, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory,
2Tim 1:14 Guard the good Deposit given through the Holy Spirit indwelling in us.
I watch those different chiefs on the HG channel, and it seems like I know them I see them so much. But if I called them up and ask them to come to dinner at my house, I guarantee they would refuse and say I do know you. Well I guess you can see what I mean by that.
Lots of people hear about Jesus, but it takes so much more. You have to do the will of My Father in Heaven, and that is only possible by Christ in you.
Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven.
v. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works?
v. 23 And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
skydreamers:
I like your reply Kat! That is a good point...what does it mean to really know someone or something. Lots of times we can know about someone, or know of someone, but that doesn't mean we understand what they are all about.
Matthew 7:23
23 And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!
This is the same word Jesus used in this verse:
John 8:43
43 "Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.
So when we first come to Christ we are drawn to His love and His sacrifice for us. But then we slowly become entrenched in whatever church doctrines...and I think this is when we fall away from our first love.
2 Corinthians 11:2-4 (The Message)
2 The thing that has me so upset is that I care about you so much--this is the passion of God burning inside me! I promised your hand in marriage to Christ, presented you as a pure virgin to her husband.
3 And now I'm afraid that exactly as the Snake seduced Eve with his smooth patter, you are being lured away from the simple purity of your love for Christ.
4 It seems that if someone shows up preaching quite another Jesus than we preached--different spirit, different message--you put up with him quite nicely.
I think this is what is happening in churches.
Peace,
Diana
Pax Vobiscum:
We should be very careful here.
Mr. Snacks' (or Mrs. Nacks') drastic analogy has a lot to say. Let's stay away from the black-and-white (black-and-blonde?) of the issue and make it a more realistic teaching tool.
Let's say the friend commented on the color of the wife's eyes: "What a startling shade of green!" he says. Now I could launch here into some common understanding that we all see colors differently -- but the BT crowd loves drama!
Now, Mr. Snacks here knows that his wife's eyes are hazel (is that in the crayon box?), but that she wears green-tinted contact lenses. Perhaps (you're gonna love this) she has yet to reveal her true eye color to the friend as of yet.
The choice now is how to handle the situation.
Mr. Snacks could share the secret of the hazel eyes (let you who have eyes....) and then move on to more relevent conversation.
He could even berate his friend and say that he doesn't know his wife because he doesn't even know her eye color! He had lunch with a false wife! Who are you to say that my wife's eyes are green! Yadda yadda yadda!
Perhaps the two could skip the issue entirely and discuss how nice it is to share a relationship with this woman from two different perspectives -- the key being that neither of them knows everything about the wife!
I believe that the major monotheisms of which you speak each have a perspective and are trying to get to the truth. They seek what you and I seek. Especially the orthodox Christians out there -- let's give them a break and realize that we are on the same journey. There is enough common ground to have a perfectly healthy relationship -- even without all the answers.
One word about apologetics (defending one's perspective). A good defense is merely that. Do not confuse a great defense with truth.
Peace
YellowStone:
Pax,
You certainly make a valid point here. For I feel no one here would ever say that God revealed the same thing to all. :)
By our own assertions, your analogy is correct. :)
God allows sight (perhaps through tinted glasses) of what he pleases.
Thanks for the reminder.
In Christ with Love,
Darren
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