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Does Christendom worship a false god ?
Flipper:
As a lover and believer of Jesus Christ, I believe that any organized religion that denies the deity and divinity of Jesus Christ is a false religion and therefore worships a false god.
How does one deny the divinity of Christ?
1.) Installing a person as a go-between or vicar
2.) Partaking in a transubstantiated communion wafer.
3.) Partaking in any Koran, Torah, or Talmudic based theology
4.) Believing in a dispensational "Going of the saints" theology versus a "Coming of the Lord" theology
5.) Believing one will escape the earth and go to heaven versus bringing heaven to earth.
And many more 'idols of the heart' that serve to take one's eyes off Christ. The Lord has made it clear that only a fraction, a remnant, the chosen of the called, the overcomer will be worthy to partake in the 1st Resurrection (Rev 20:6). Everyone else will face varying degrees of judgement. I don't believe most of us are supposed to (or theologically equipped enough to) run into these establishments and 'rescue' our bretheren but simply being a beacon of light and exposing heresy when the opportunity arises with a humility and patience. Remember: If God has to DRAG (Gr. Helkuo) these folks to His Son, you will only be able to do so much!
mrsnacks:
Good points. Especially about the eye color of my wife. Plus how about the height issue ? I know that my wife is really 6' when she is wearing her 9 inch lifts in her shoes. But she is really 5' 3" :)
YellowStone:
Flipper,
Very good points :)
The following is just some thinking out load and directed at no one :)
I have often thought of mans desire almost need to put their faith in something. All throughout time, man has worshiped just about everything in the hope of giving this life some meaning that believe it or, this life could not fulfill.
To a larger extent in the Western culture than perhaps anywhere else, man has increasingly made idols of the heart a more commercial proposition. How so? Well, if one could not find happiness, one could at least buy it, and buy it they did. I cannot begin to say whether or not a man, woman or child who frequents a church that demands large donations weekly is or is not lost and desperately searching for the real thing.
Likewise, I know many go to church, simply because of the contacts they can make that will benefit there work. I have seen Sunday angels and weekday devils and I know from them I learned a lot; so who am I to say that God did not use them for a very specific purpose.
Another question that I have always had, but could never find an answer too is whether or not God has drawn the ones that frequent the lies and heresies of the church, only so far. I grew up in a country area and went to a tiny Lutheran primary school. (16 kids from preschool to grade 6) We were taught the Bible and I guess pretty much the standard lies, but these folk were good peope, their hearts were good and they lived honestly and cleanly.
Are such as these, of which am sure there are millions worldwide to be lumped into the same bucket as the ones Christ called the blind leading the blind? What then is worse, the one who scrapes together all the spare change they have along with some extra so that they can attend the only church in their neighborhood, or the church members which gleefully hold out their hands for every last dollar.
Never forget, that regardless of the idols of the heart, each one of is here today spiritually because it was Gods plan for us to be. Therefore, in very much the same way as a very special sister told me today, perhaps we should give more attention to where we ourselves are standing than where some others may or may not be.
Eph 2:8 -9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Just my thoughts,
With love,
Darren
mrsnacks:
--- Quote from: Kat on May 22, 2007, 04:07:53 PM ---
Hi mrsnacks,
Do you really think it is enough to know of Christ? I think that Christ must know us. And He knows us because the Father has given those He chose to Christ.
Joh 17:9 I pray for them. I do not pray for the world, but for those whom You have given Me, for they are Yours.
If the Father drags us to Christ, then the Holy Spirit is given and we are in Christ and He is us.
Col 1:27 For to them God would make known what are the riches of the glory of this mystery among the nations, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory,
2Tim 1:14 Guard the good Deposit given through the Holy Spirit indwelling in us.
I watch those different chiefs on the HG channel, and it seems like I know them I see them so much. But if I called them up and ask them to come to dinner at my house, I guarantee they would refuse and say I do know you. Well I guess you can see what I mean by that.
Lots of people hear about Jesus, but it takes so much more. You have to do the will of My Father in Heaven, and that is only possible by Christ in you.
Mat 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, Lord! Lord! shall enter the kingdom of Heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in Heaven.
v. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, Lord! Lord! Did we not prophesy in Your name, and through Your name throw out demons, and through Your name do many wonderful works?
v. 23 And then I will say to them I never knew you! Depart from Me, those working lawlessness!
mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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I understand what you are saying but as you stated in your analogy about the chefs, they will say they don't know you. The problem is that the Lord does say
" I never knew you" but it is a future as stated in Revelation. I would say everyone in Christendom would claim that they are chosen and that God knows them and they have a relationship with Christ. We can't call up Jesus and ask him if He knows them as we can call up the chefs. So Jesus does say by your fruits they shall know if you are His disciples or not. I wonder about this verse though because we are all in process and I know I have so much growing to do.
But then again many in Christendom are disciples of traditions and men not Christ.
seminole:
I like that response by Pax. That person makes a point without throwing stones.
Nole
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