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Does Christendom worship a false god ?

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mari_et_pere:
I've noticed something in my sister in law and brother in law. They are VERY involved in their church. They eat sleep and breath it. They are youth ministers, do sunday school, clean the church, go to ALL the outside activities, bla bla bla bla blah. Well here's what I've noticed about them. They seem to have a faith in "the message" and "the work" more than IN GOD or IN JESUS CHRIST.

Anytime (at least 9 out of 10, bare minimum) we ask them if they want to go out, or come over, just hang out, we get the response of "oh we're so busy with CHURCH tonight." It's almost CULT-ISH.

But what I'm getting at is, and Darren hit on this. Most people feel the need to have faith in something. For some it's drugs, or sex, or a god. For some, it's church itself. The act of being involved in church. The feeling of "serving God" by helping "the church" as they call it, do it's stuff." Kind of sad because in the long run, what a waste of time it will have been.

Peace

Matt

seminole:
I think part of it all, Matt, is that thing of wanting to belong somewhere. For example, I played football and even though I didn't like all the players, you acted like you did to fit the group. When I got into the drugs and alcohol world there were times I didn't want a drink but got drunk anyway just to hang with the group. I hope this makes some sense. It sounds like a weak way to be and I am not proud of it but that is what it was for me.
Seminole

mrsnacks:

--- Quote from: mari_et_pere on May 24, 2007, 12:30:51 AM ---I've noticed something in my sister in law and brother in law. They are VERY involved in their church. They eat sleep and breath it. They are youth ministers, do sunday school, clean the church, go to ALL the outside activities, bla bla bla bla blah. Well here's what I've noticed about them. They seem to have a faith in "the message" and "the work" more than IN GOD or IN JESUS CHRIST.

Anytime (at least 9 out of 10, bare minimum) we ask them if they want to go out, or come over, just hang out, we get the response of "oh we're so busy with CHURCH tonight." It's almost CULT-ISH.

But what I'm getting at is, and Darren hit on this. Most people feel the need to have faith in something. For some it's drugs, or sex, or a god. For some, it's church itself. The act of being involved in church. The feeling of "serving God" by helping "the church" as they call it, do it's stuff." Kind of sad because in the long run, what a waste of time it will have been.

Peace

Matt

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What I have done is ask why do you go to church ? I live dangerously by my questions. Then their answer will reveal what's in their  heart. And by asking questions their answers and my responses ( in light humor) God has used to convict them.

I had one lady friend complained about going. She opened up to me. She said she didn't feel like going because of all the rules and all the politics and hypocrisy among the clergy etc. The tithing question came up as well. I then said well if you have a hard time going to church than why continue. God dwells in your heart and not in buildings and man made temples. I shared with her my experiences that the truths I found and the God I have come to know was revealed to me outside the building. She is open by the way because the blinders are coming off. Her main struggle was the tithing thing among a ton of other issues. I patiently shared with her and her mom ( she was struggling to with the teachings of the church ) about tithing showing her it was never about money etc. Their eyes were opened and now they are set free from that tithing doctrine.
And you know they called me and sounded so relieved. Because God has been blessing them even though they have stopped tithing. So much for the pastor telling them that if they don't tithe they aren't being faithful.

The thing is I just presented the truths to them. I didn't tell them what to do. I pointed out scripture and showed where tithing was not biblical. But I ended with if you still decide to tithe it is up to you. Now the amazing thing is that they are so open to hearing from me. I talked to them about the myth of the hell doctrine and they both said it makes sense. Now what they are seeing is that Christendom is teaching false doctrines.

mari_et_pere:
Mr Snacks, or Mrs Nacks?
No really though LOL.......It seems to me that you have a nack, no pun intended but cool how that fit LOL......but you have a nack, or talent, or gift, of reaching out to people and teaching them! That is awesome! I'm not gifted that way at all. I wish I were. I want to tell everyone that I know about the truth, but in my mind it would be like telling them all that I'd been beamed up by aliens and went for a space cruise. They'd think I was nuts. I think it's my fault because I'm very analytical and to the point, whereas what people want is to be babied as I see it. I'm the "this is stupid because it's wrong" kind of dude, whereas others take the time to spell everything out in detail. That's something Ray is excellent at doing.
I'm sure you've made at least a small impact in at least somebody. You plant your seeds. God will water if He chooses.
Just thought I'd tell ya that it's awesome that you've found a way to share what you know and learn.

Peace

Matt

mrsnacks:
Thanks so much. I will tell you I am very analytical. I have studied apologetics and philosophy for years. And I remember a saying that really turned me around. A teacher of mine said " you must get the hay out of the loft and down on the ground so the cows can eat it. So I stopped talking like a textbook and using big words etc.
I used to talk to my wife using these philosophical terms such as epistemology, ontology,  transcendentals, presuppositions and many other 10 cent words. She used to tell me I was giving her a headache. I then started to look at Jesus. I looked at Socrates. Socrates like Jesus asked his students questions that he already knew the answer to. I don't know if you ever watched Columbo on tv. Do like Columbo.  He asked questions. So when I talk to people my intention is to ask questions in a way so they can arrive at the truths as opposed to me telling them. Instead of telling them the truth make the conversation in a way where they come up with the truth instead of you. Hope this helps.

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